Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 7th Sep 2007 13:37 UTC, submitted by Adurbe
Internet & Networking The US Justice Department has said that internet service providers should be allowed to charge for priority traffic. The agency said it was opposed to 'network neutrality', the idea that all data on the net is treated equally. The comments put the agency at odds with companies such as Microsoft and Google, who have called for legislation to guarantee equal access to the net.
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hmmm
by yanik on Fri 7th Sep 2007 14:21 UTC
yanik
Member since:
2005-07-13

Is this supposed to be a surprise?

That's how their health system works, if fact, I feel this is how america works.

I'm in Montreal, Canada. We have a Park called "La Ronde "that was bought by a US company named Six Flags. Since they bought it you can now pay more and get in the rides faster than those who pay the normal fee. I was outraged. This is so typically american.

Got money?

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RE: hmmm
by Noremacam on Fri 7th Sep 2007 17:07 in reply to "hmmm"
Noremacam Member since:
2006-03-08

go to another amusement park or call them and tell them why you're not going anymore. That's how capitalism works.

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RE[2]: hmmm
by Almindor on Fri 7th Sep 2007 17:18 in reply to "RE: hmmm"
Almindor Member since:
2006-01-16

That's the problem. Capitalism doesn't work, for many reasons. It has "crashed" more than once too.

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RE[2]: hmmm
by porcel on Fri 7th Sep 2007 23:19 in reply to "RE: hmmm"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

Of course, because Amusement Parks spring out of the blue every day, given the wide availability of cheap land everywhere.

And of course, capitalism works so well and companies are so nice that they would never think of bribing the local politicians so that they are the only game in town and no other company obtains a license to build an "amusement park".

Capitalism works some of the time under a healthy amount of regulation. There is this uneducated myth that the US is a bastion of unfettered capitalism, when the exact opposite is the truth.

Want to see unfettered capitalism and the invisible hand of the market? Look at the post-soviet economies that lacked any meaningful forms of regulation and engaged in a wild-west of unregulated unfettered capitalism. Result: corruption was rampant, the collapse of companies occurred daily and a general distrust of the market.

Capitalism in regulated markets such as those provided by most social democracies works far better than the naive capitalism that most people have in mind when they utter the word.

I am not ascribing to you, specifically, this type of thinking as, for all I know, you may be well aware of some of the points I have raised. Generally speaking, though, there is a tendency to overstate the generosity of the market and to understate the role of the state in making markets work.

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RE: hmmm
by jack_perry on Fri 7th Sep 2007 17:24 in reply to "hmmm"
jack_perry Member since:
2005-07-06

Does Six Flags do this in the US? I've been to several amusement parks here & I've never once seen anything like this.

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RE[2]: hmmm
by bryanv on Fri 7th Sep 2007 18:37 in reply to "RE: hmmm"
bryanv Member since:
2005-08-26

Universal Orlando does this. It's preposterous.

Essentially, for a fee (like $20!) they let you "cut" in line.

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RE[2]: hmmm
by DrillSgt on Sun 9th Sep 2007 23:10 in reply to "RE: hmmm"
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"Does Six Flags do this in the US? I've been to several amusement parks here & I've never once seen anything like this."

Yes they do. At least at Magic Mountain in California.

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RE: hmmm
by jadeshade on Fri 7th Sep 2007 20:53 in reply to "hmmm"
jadeshade Member since:
2007-07-10

I was outraged. This is so typically American


By the way, this capitalistic bastardism that you speak of is why America's economy has always kicked the world's collective ass. Current 'weakness' is a matter of 2nd/3rd order derivatives - it's still the biggest economic force in the world.

Not that I'm against Net Neutrality - ISPs made a long-term bet on internet use and the market shifted against them. When investment banks lose money on stocks, do they ask the companies whose value went down to pay them back the difference? No - they stand by their bet. That's the problem with what the ISPs are doing - they've got the economics ass-backward. If they charged customers per the KB, then their revenue would scale with usage, but then the whole system would get more complex (does anyone you know use a pay-as-you-go phone plan?) as well as make it harder for them to retain customers in a competitive market. Because of this, they (effectively) want to have uploaders pay for their bandwith twice, which is like stockholders demanding that a company pay them a dollar (per stock held) for every dollar the stock drops.

Please don't misunderstand - capitalism rocks, it's just that the ISPs are sore losers.

Now, for the other side of the argument.

Ever used a turnpike? Paid a toll? To use a road? A highway? A superhighway? An information superhighway?

You go faster.

Why do you pay to use it?

It's worth it. To you.

Why do they build turnpikes? Tollbooths? ... Information superhighways?

It's worth it. To them.

It's a great idea, and it's the basis of the 'anti-net-neutrality' argument. But.

We already have it.

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RE[2]: hmmm
by PLan on Sat 8th Sep 2007 03:07 in reply to "RE: hmmm"
PLan Member since:
2006-01-10

By the way, this capitalistic bastardism that you speak of is why America's economy has always kicked the world's collective ass. ...

Shame it's such a failure, in comparison to other countries, when it comes down to basics like quality of life.

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