It does not happen every day that news related to computer technology - news we report on every day - makes its way to the headline news programs and newspapers here in my home country, The Netherlands. So when it does, I am usually on the edge of my seat, simply because it offers an interesting glimpse into how 'normal' people perceive our little world. The last few days, however, that casual interest has made way for something else - tooth gnashing irritation.
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Member since:2005-06-28
Shapeshifter, you talk out of your a$$.
Vegas PRO costs $700, and not $6. I expect it to work because I paid for it and because I am not rich to upgrade all my software and hardware every month.
I NEED compatibility, and I am a consumer, not a "cheap ass company". Same goes for my husband's $1500 printer -- which doesn't work anymore on the new OSX version!!!
As for Linux, it does not bring me compatibility, so it's not what I want. So, stop trying.
Edited 2007-09-11 00:14
Member since:2006-01-10
Shapeshifter was correct about the last half of the comment. Vista is unstable and just decides out of the blue to reboot the computer to install updates.
The problem with $700 pieces of software that I always hated severely is that when indeed a new operating system or even some new features come out in a newer version, far too many companies don't offer just a free upgrade. Instead if you're lucky, they'll release an upgrade that costs $100 or more. This is plainly ridiculous!
Besides, people who also say that there aren't that many problems with compatibility, what about all those programs that when you load them up, Vista automatically says that Aero is not compatible with this software, switching to classic mode. It does that to most programs that I tried on it.
Granted Compiz-fusion isn't always compatible with everything, but they are improving it quickly. I even play Doom3 with it turned on and didn't notice any performance loss.
Member since:2007-05-16
Member since:2005-11-14
Short answer: Sony.
Long answer: Pro software is for people who have a financial infrastructure that includes upgrading hardware and OSes when compatibility requires it. Prosumers should not enter this arena with a prosumer's checkbook, regardless of platform.
The only compatibility I lost in Tiger was the PCMCIA slot in my Epson which was a driver unrelated to printing. CUPS should take care of the rest, and Apple now owns CUPS.
Edited 2007-09-11 16:29 UTC
Member since:2005-07-06
I NEED compatibility, and I am a consumer, not a "cheap ass company". Same goes for my husband's $1500 printer -- which doesn't work anymore on the new OSX version!!!
As for Linux, it does not bring me compatibility, so it's not what I want. So, stop trying.
The biggest problem with Vista (and OS X) has been driver compatibility, which has been made even worse with the move to 64-bit machines. How are consumers supposed to know what they're running and that drivers are not written, and the ones that they have are useless?
Shockingly, Linux has no such problems simply because the multitude of drivers in the kernel, and in CUPS and Xorg, just get recompiled. Problem solved.
Member since:2005-07-06
Member since:2006-09-19
Vegas PRO costs $700, and not $6. I expect it to work because I paid for it and because I am not rich to upgrade all my software and hardware every month.
I NEED compatibility, and I am a consumer, not a "cheap ass company". Same goes for my husband's $1500 printer -- which doesn't work anymore on the new OSX version!!!
As for Linux, it does not bring me compatibility, so it's not what I want. So, stop trying.
Yes, I understand what you mean.
Like the next reply says, I'm generalizing.
When it comes to speciall purpouse system, like video editing system, you don't usually upgrade the OS untill you upgrade to a new version of the application that is than designed to run on a newer OS.
It's usually a good idea to dedicate a system to a speciall task like video editing.
And in your case it should be a no brainer since you most likely have more than one computer as any pro should have.
So why do you even argue this issue when it does not affect you.
OT, why did you pick Vegas anyway? What's so great about it?
Ever since Sony took over Vega and Soundforge they've been running them into the ground.
Some day you'll be able to do your video editing on a nice Linux box. At least you have something to look forward to
Member since:2005-07-06
Compatibility is only important to cheap ass companies that are too cheap to upgrade their 20 year old software (often some accounting crap they've been using forever and their accountant is too stupid to adapt to a newer and more modern software).
What about the consumers, such as myself and Eugenia, that have spent hundreds of dollars on applications? Are we cheap asses too? And this software is not 20 years old. Sorry, but your over generalizations just don't hold water.
The problem is not as much compatibility as how buggy and unpredictable Vista is. It's like driving a car with its wheel's nuts only finger-tight.
The stupid thing (Vista) will often just start doing something on its own with no indication to the user about what it's doing. System is not responding and the user just sits there and stares on the screen like a zombie.
After updates it will sometime restart not once but twice in a row.
And don't get me started on UAC and it's constant idiotic popups.
Vista is a pinacle of bad software design.
Look, I'm no MS fanboy, but this sort of crap is getting ridiculous. I have actively used Vista on a number of hardware platforms (Intel, AMD/Via, AMD/nVidia, AMD/ATI) and not had any of the stability troubles you speak of. Ever.
I'm starting to think that a good percentage of Vista woes are posted by Linux zealots just trying to make Vista look bad.
With Linux, one gets incredible functionality, reliability, and overall value, for basically no cost.
Plus a true freedom.
Awesome, sounds good! Let me know where I can get Vegas, Tracktion, Reason, Office 2003 or 2007 and Creative Suite 3 for Linux.
I love Linux, especially SuSe and Ubuntu. But it's just not the best tool for all jobs.
I also get tired of it always being a case of the "you can like Windows, or you can like Linux, but not both" vibe I often get here.
Member since:2005-11-14
They aren't generalizations, they're brackets. Pro apps are for people who consider PCs replaceable hardware, not investments. Mac owners are oftentimes the slowest to figure this out, and as someone who upgraded a Mac to keep it current for NINE YEARS, I speak with some authority here. TCO is an important issue for personal owners. For businessmen, commodity hardware is the paradigm.
Look, I'm no MS fanboy, but this sort of crap is getting ridiculous. I have actively used Vista on a number of hardware platforms (Intel, AMD/Via, AMD/nVidia, AMD/ATI) and not had any of the stability troubles you speak of. Ever.
The differences between OpenOffice and Office are in many cases hairsplitting. The rest of these apps I'm in complete agreement with -- except that WINE is achieving its goal of closing the API gaps. QuickTime 7 runs more efficiently under WINE on my laptop than it does under XP.
Member since:2006-09-01
Dude, all companies are cheap ass companies.
Compatibility is more important then you think. There is a concept called "clear upgrade path." Sometimes there is, and sometimes there isn't. Sometimes companies go out of business, product lines get dropped, or maintainers quit maintaining leaving users in the lurch. People could migrate to a different program, but why when it would mean losing all that data. Why migrate when a new system isn't going to do what the users need it to?
The best example I have is the old VAX systems where I work. The client isn't going to upgrade because 1) they run fine, and 2) there isn't a system that can replace them. Believe it or not VMS will run circles around Unix in this instance. They could replace them with modern Ithium based servers, but they don't want to spend the money to replace something that is working.
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2006-09-19
Compatibility is only important to cheap ass companies that are too cheap to upgrade their 20 year old software (often some accounting crap they've been using forever and their accountant is too stupid to adapt to a newer and more modern software).
Yeah, people will complain because their 10 year old copy of Grolier Encyclopedia they picked up for $5.99 at their local corner store doesn't run on Vista.
The problem is not as much compatibility as how buggy and unpredictable Vista is. It's like driving a car with its wheel's nuts only finger-tight.
The stupid thing (Vista) will often just start doing something on its own with no indication to the user about what it's doing. System is not responding and the user just sits there and stares on the screen like a zombie.
After updates it will sometime restart not once but twice in a row.
And don't get me started on UAC and it's constant idiotic popups.
Vista is a pinacle of bad software design.
With Linux, one gets incredible functionality, reliability, and overall value, for basically no cost.
Plus a true freedom.