Linked by Joost van der Sluis on Mon 10th Sep 2007 16:03 UTC
General Development Recently, Free Pascal (FPC) version 2.2.0 was released. This open source Pascal compiler has - since its initial release in 1993 - grown to be one of the most sophisticated open source compilers available today. Daily, more programmers discover FPC and develop their applications in Object Pascal. Specifically, the development of Lazarus has contributed to this phenomenon: Lazarus is a graphical open source IDE for FPC, with an extensive tool kit to design graphical (GUI) applications.
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RE[5]: Lazarus
by Almindor on Tue 11th Sep 2007 13:12 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Lazarus"
Almindor
Member since:
2006-01-16

No and no.

Gtk2 isn't present on some KDE only distroes, and vice versa. Gtk1 is even worse.

And package management is sometimes manual (see slackware, they DO have a dependency check tool, but it's not default IIRC).

But generally you're right. Distributing gtk2/qt apps isn't much of a problem in the "mainstream" linux desktop world.

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RE[6]: Lazarus
by ggeldenhuys on Tue 11th Sep 2007 14:57 in reply to "RE[5]: Lazarus"
ggeldenhuys Member since:
2006-11-13

No and no.
Gtk2 isn't present on some KDE only distroes, and vice versa. Gtk1 is even worse.


Thank you. Glad somebody agrees. ;)

But generally you're right. Distributing gtk2/qt apps isn't much of a problem in the "mainstream" linux desktop world.


Still doesn't solve the library version issue. You create a Qt app using the latest version of Qt 4.3. No distro I know includes that version. I think they are still on v3.x because of KDE.

So my point still stands. Using XLib (or GDI) directly as in the case of fpGUI, resolves all kinds of redistribution issues. Being a ex-Kylix developer I know all about redistribution issues and wasn't going to make that mistake again!

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RE[7]: Lazarus
by dmantione on Tue 11th Sep 2007 15:18 in reply to "RE[6]: Lazarus"
dmantione Member since:
2005-07-06

The point stands, but you get non-native look & feel if you use xlib/GDI. Don't take me wrong, low dependencies are a strong point of FPC and it is only logical to extend this to the GUI. However, Lazarus with GTK2 uses real GTK2 widgets, Lazarus with Win32 uses real Win32 widgets, so it is close to the most native look and feel possible.

One nice thing about Lazarus is that one can choose, though. GTK1/GTK2/QT/Carbon or the dependency friendly fpGUI, you choose with the push of a button. No source code changes necessary.

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RE[6]: Lazarus
by FooBarWidget on Tue 11th Sep 2007 18:53 in reply to "RE[5]: Lazarus"
FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

"Gtk2 isn't present on some KDE only distroes, and vice versa."
Kubuntu might not install it by default (dunno, I never used Kubuntu) but it sure does provide GTK2. One can install it in literally one command. Ditto for SuSE, another KDE distro.

"Gtk1 is even worse."
I don't think anybody cares about GTK1 anymore. GTK2 has been out for about 7 years now, and also has a much nicer API.

"But generally you're right. Distributing gtk2/qt apps isn't much of a problem in the "mainstream" linux desktop world."
If my app is a desktop application then I don't want its development to be hindered by distros that aren't serious about entering the mainstream desktop market.

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