Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 13th Sep 2007 08:14 UTC, submitted by Anonymous Reader
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "My verdict: Even in the relatively slick Ubuntu variation, Linux is still too rough around the edges for the vast majority of computer users", says Mossberg. Among others, he complains about one of the things I did too when I was writing my stream of Ubuntu reviews back in Spring.
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by lucac81 on Thu 13th Sep 2007 10:15 UTC
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While I agree that critics are always accepted, I think that the problems found by Mossberg are minor ones, sign that gnu/linux it's improving.
I found the ipod and camera issues strange, because in ubuntu you don't have to reboot unless you upgrade the kernel package, devices are always configured when you plug them, maybe he misses needed software (gtkpod and gphoto libraries) but installing them doesn't require a reboot, and even in windows you need to download and install iTunes to manage the ipod.

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RE: imperfection
by risbac on Thu 13th Sep 2007 10:16 in reply to "imperfection"
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I guess it would have worked simply by unlogging / relogging.

That's a typical windows habit to reboot to solve problems ;)

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RE[2]: imperfection
by BBlalock on Thu 13th Sep 2007 11:57 in reply to "RE: imperfection"
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Dumb Question:

How do you unlog something or relog it? What does "log" mean in this context?

The only contexts (that I know of) where "log" is a verb is when recording data (ie logging data) in a log and when harvesting trees. Neither seems relevant to your use of the term.

This is a genuine question because I am seeking knowledge, but it is also semi-rhetorical because the vast and overwheming majority of people (not OSnews readers) would probably ask the same question.

And yes, I tried Google, "define: unlogging", "define: relogging", "define: unlog", and "define: relog" all return no meaningful result.

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RE: imperfection
by Kroc on Thu 13th Sep 2007 10:36 in reply to "imperfection"
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I can imagine the support call:
User: "I can't play DVDs"
Tech: "You can't legally play DVDs on Linux in your country"
User: "My old computer could"
Tech: "You can play DVDs on Windows"
User: "Well, I want a refund and to get a Windows computer"

You hold a value to Linux, that regular consumers do not. You are willing to trade off the extra effort and some drawbacks, for the freedom and additional technical capability that Linux offers.

But "improving" doesn't hold ground with regular consumers when price doesn't factor (the OS is bundled) and freedom (libre) doesn't factor. Technicalities, no matter how asinine (like the legality of DeCSS), is not a concern of consumer; they see one product that plays DVDs and one that does not.

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RE[2]: imperfection
by risbac on Thu 13th Sep 2007 10:49 in reply to "RE: imperfection"
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Price does factor. The fact that it's bundled doesn't mean you don't pay it. If for the same configuration, the computer with Ubuntu is 50$ less, it can be a criteria. Plus the fact that to upgrade to the next version of the OS, you don't pay.

Freedom does factor. I hear users of Windows complaining about the potential intrusion in their private life. Quite simply, they don't trust the OS. Minority yes, but that's a factor for some customers for sure.

The DVD problem is quite troublesome though. But what I think will happen is that Dell or Ubuntu will find an agreement with Cyberlink to have a version of PowerDVD installed on Ubuntu on Dell machines in a near future. That's more or less mandatory for US machines for instance. But currently, that's for sure a real problem.

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RE[2]: imperfection
by anda_skoa on Thu 13th Sep 2007 11:10 in reply to "RE: imperfection"
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I can imagine the support call:
User: "I can't play DVDs"
Tech: "You can't legally play DVDs on Linux in your country"

Which would be a lie. Not sure if companies have rules for support techs to lie to customers.

The correct answer would have been
Tech: "We did not include DVD playback capability in our Linux offering".
User: "Why not?"
Tech: "We needed to make sure that reviewers can find flaws in our product. Beats me why managment wants them to."

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