Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Sep 2007 21:36 UTC, submitted by dylansmrjones
SCO, Caldera, Unixware Yahoo reports that SCO has filed [.pdf] for bankruptcy in order to protect assets. "The SCO Group today announced that it filed a voluntary petition for reorganization under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code. SCO's subsidiary, SCO Operations, Inc., has also filed a petition for reorganization. The Board of Directors of The SCO Group have unanimously determined that Chapter 11 reorganization is in the best long-term interest of SCO and its subsidiaries, as well as its customers, shareholders, and employees." Groklaw has a story on it, too.
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Re: Groklaw has a story on it, too.
by Oliver on Sat 15th Sep 2007 00:57 UTC
Oliver
Member since:
2006-07-15

http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/359

"For quite a while I have heard, read, and been personally told stories about messages that have been deleted from Groklaw's comment section. Specifically these are posts that do not agree with Pamela Jones' opinions and conclusions, or seek to debate or clarify issues that are not clear-cut or obvious."

Groklaw was never a trustworthy source.

There isn't much to discuss about the filthy behaviour of SCO, but I do trust people who have the real knowledge and capability like ESR or Greg Lehey.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

The funny thing is that he wrote he would come with evidence. But he never did. There is no evidence - only claims. Of course some posts have been deleted, but not just because they disagreed with PJ.

Besides that, Groklaw is - in regard to legal analysis - one of the most trustworthy sites around. There is a reason why lawyers frequently visits the site, and that's because of the information available.

I'm aware a BSD-zealot like you doesn't like PJ's view on FLOSS. She's way too GPL-happy for your taste. Personally I think she's going too far on occasion, but her legal analysis in the SCO-cases are second to none. And in regard to the SCO-cases nobody can correctly claim that Groklaw isn't trustworthy.

ESR and Greg Lehey are irrelevant in regard to the SCO-cases. I hold ESR in some regard yes, but he is no God in my eyes. Nor are Greg Lehey (gifted Unix-hacker) or PJ for that matter. They are "just" human beings. Treat 'em as such.

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Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

>I'm aware a BSD-zealot

No just liberal and no hypocrite - that's a big difference.

Exactly *human beings*, we don't know whether PJ is really one (of course this is just an urban legend of SCO ;-) ). But maybe this is BSDish thinking too according to your opinion. Why I prefer the opinions of Lehey for example? Because he actually knows UNIX, BSD and Linux.

> She's way too GPL-happy for your taste.

I'm not 16 anymore and I did follow the Linux 'way of life' for about eleven years since the 90s, then I migrated to BSD. But that's offtopic in this context, but it's nice to have a watchdog at OSNews.

Fight for free speech I see in your data? Nice, it's my credo too, freedom of knowledge for *everyone*. And with a copyleft you're abusing this freedom. Of course you will not learn this in computer science, but history and philosophy. I'm not a BSD zealot, but a 'freedom zealot'. I blame the GPL and RMS in the public for their abuse of real freedom, but I would never oppress other people - that's the difference. Telling people something about dictatorship is your free speech, but actually building some dictatorship is something I would confront.

Cheers,

Oliver

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elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Besides that, Groklaw is - in regard to legal analysis - one of the most trustworthy sites around. There is a reason why lawyers frequently visits the site, and that's because of the information available.


Spit that kool-aid out right now. Groklaw is not an authority consulted by legal experts, let's be serious.

Groklaw gained cred because PJ was able to use her paralegal expertise to dissect the original SCO legal documentation train, and she provided a brilliant service in doing so. Most of the community rallied around her because it was a common cause. But don't confuse that with actual legal expertise; Groklaw is a ridiculously biased opinion site that selectively uses legalese to re-assert it's opinion, and she doesn't even try and hide that fact. It is hardly authoritative and there's no way in hell that actual real-world lawyers are researching cases based on groklaw.

Groklaw is a blog, not a news site.

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llanitedave Member since:
2005-07-24


http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/359

"For quite a while I have heard, read, and been personally told stories about messages that have been deleted from Groklaw's comment section. Specifically these are posts that do not agree with Pamela Jones' opinions and conclusions, or seek to debate or clarify issues that are not clear-cut or obvious."

Groklaw was never a trustworthy source.

There isn't much to discuss about the filthy behaviour of SCO, but I do trust people who have the real knowledge and capability like ESR or Greg Lehey.


Oh, get over it already. Groklaw got it right -- the analysis was spot on, and the predictions were accurate.

It's not because PJ is a genius -- of course she isn't. But she DID create a space where the Open-Source "many eyes" model could be applied to the legal system, and that model made all the bugs in SCO's case shallow.

You should thank her, instead of just spouting sour grapes because she got it right and you didn't.

And BTW, I've posted comments there that disagreed with her on several occasions, and mine were never removed. And I've seen others do the same. As long as your disagreement is well-reasoned, respectful, and not personal, it's safe.

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