Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th Sep 2007 20:16 UTC, submitted by Michael
AMD AMD started delivering on their word of providing GPU specifications to the open-source community without a Non-Disclosure Agreement, and now with the 2007 X Developer Summit having come to a close, we asked several key members of the X.Org community on how they judge AMD's recent move. They were also asked if they believe NVIDIA will follow suit in helping the open-source community. Those that responded were David Airlie, Daniel Stone, Jerome Glisse, Stephane Marchesin, and Oliver McFadden. Mark Shuttleworth had also previously commented on AMD's efforts.
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Re: Nvidia
by marcus0263 on Sat 15th Sep 2007 21:06 UTC
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2007-06-02

In all honesty Nvidia provides excellent driver support for the Linux community. So if they choose to keep it closed source it's their choice and I'm not going to give them grief over it.

Now ATI has had pathetic Linux driver support, so open sourcing their drivers is a good thing. Now all that is to be seen is how long it's going to take to have stable drivers from ATI. ATI has a very long road to travel for they have burned a lot of bridges.

My choice, I'm sticking with Nvidia who not only makes great cards but has supported Linux for a long time.

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RE: Re: Nvidia
by linux-it on Sat 15th Sep 2007 21:18 in reply to "Re: Nvidia"
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2006-07-13

and we also all know that ATI's support in these is next to null.

They so far have written crappy drivers, which is the major reason people use NV.

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RE: Re: Nvidia
by Crono on Sat 15th Sep 2007 22:44 in reply to "Re: Nvidia"
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2006-11-08

My choice, I'm sticking with Nvidia who not only makes great cards but has supported Linux for a long time.


I'm not that sure. If the drivers are actually working and support 3D out of the box (because included in Xorg) in a year or two I'd definately get an ATI card next time.
Of course do the NVidia drivers work most of the time. But I had some trouble using their recent drivers because I'm using Debian Etch (maybe the kernel or Xorg is too old for the recent versions?) and so I need to use the legacy drivers.

The drivers CAN work, but they don't have to. If they're completely integrated into Xorg the support would probably far better AND you don't have to worry that much about the kernel or which Xorg-version you're running.

Maybe ATI is planning to sell more of their cards by integrating 3D drivers into Xorg so that vendors selling Linux-based systems (Dell i.e.) will use their cards?

Well, we'll see how it will work out.

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RE[2]: Re: Nvidia
by smitty on Sat 15th Sep 2007 23:16 in reply to "RE: Re: Nvidia"
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2005-10-13

Maybe ATI is planning to sell more of their cards by integrating 3D drivers into Xorg so that vendors selling Linux-based systems (Dell i.e.) will use their cards?

I think it's more than just their video cards. Right now, if you are Dell or another OEM the obvious system to provide with Linux is an Intel MB + Intel CPU + Intel integrated graphics. Then you offer an NV card as an upgrade. This not only allows AMD to be another upgrade option, it also makes using and AMD MB/CPU reasonable as well. Looking into 2009, AMD will be coming out with Fusion and will likely need to give out at least some of the specs to it in order to gain traction in the cpu market and I think this may be preparation for it.

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RE: Re: Nvidia
by smitty on Sat 15th Sep 2007 22:56 in reply to "Re: Nvidia"
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2005-10-13

In all honesty Nvidia provides excellent driver support for the Linux community. ... Now ATI has had pathetic Linux driver support, ...

For the x86 Linux community, you mean. It seems like in all the hoopla over the open specs, no one is giving AMD credit for their new binary drivers. I'm not sure they're actually as good as NVidia's or not, but they are certainly competitive and in the same class.

A certain amount of skepticism is to be expected, and is valid given ATI's history, but I certainly hope that it doesn't persist if AMD does pull through. They deserve our support for finally doing the right thing, and in the long run open source 3D drivers are far superior for Linux given the development process and licensing concerns.

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RE: Re: Nvidia
by renox on Sun 16th Sep 2007 13:33 in reply to "Re: Nvidia"
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2005-07-06

>I'm sticking with Nvidia who not only makes great cards but has supported Linux for a long time.

No, NVidia has never fully supported Linux, but only *half-supported* Linux: as non-GPL drivers cannot be distributed with Linux, you have to install it in a second step and not that long ago I couldn't install a PC with a NVidia cards because the display was garbled so I couldn't reach this second step.
So the out-of-the-box experiment with NVidia can be awful.

Truly supporting Linux is, as Linux is GPL, complying with the GPL and providing a Free software driver.

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