Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th Sep 2007 20:16 UTC, submitted by Michael
AMD AMD started delivering on their word of providing GPU specifications to the open-source community without a Non-Disclosure Agreement, and now with the 2007 X Developer Summit having come to a close, we asked several key members of the X.Org community on how they judge AMD's recent move. They were also asked if they believe NVIDIA will follow suit in helping the open-source community. Those that responded were David Airlie, Daniel Stone, Jerome Glisse, Stephane Marchesin, and Oliver McFadden. Mark Shuttleworth had also previously commented on AMD's efforts.
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RE: Re: Nvidia
by El-Al on Sat 15th Sep 2007 22:44 UTC
El-Al
Member since:
2006-04-17

"They so far have written crappy drivers, which is the major reason people use NV."

Hmmm...a sweeping generalization I think!
Depends on what OS you use, whether or not 'people' even understand what they are buying when they buy a PC.

If you're talking about a small minority of people building computers to run Linux _specifically_ then I shouldn't think ATI gives a rats ass about your opinion, their bread and butter will come from winxp/vista sales
at this point in time.

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RE[2]: Re: Nvidia
by Crono on Sat 15th Sep 2007 22:50 in reply to "RE: Re: Nvidia"
Crono Member since:
2006-11-08

Don't worry, their drivers even suck when using Windows. One time I had to use modified drivers (Omega drivers) to get it running at all. There wasn't even 2D acceleration!

I have no idea WHY it didn't work (it's not like Windows is very verbose there) but it just didn't. Okay, the Linux-drivers suck even harder, but it's not like those Windows-drivers are anything near "good".

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RE[2]: Re: Nvidia
by sgibofh on Sun 16th Sep 2007 11:28 in reply to "RE: Re: Nvidia"
sgibofh Member since:
2007-03-31

well, if they give the user the ability to give feedback and after 15+ times iving feedback with all the times a simple question like "please reply that you at least have seen it" and it stays qute, it doesn't ive me a warmand fuzzy feeling. Especially if the do acknowledge a ew bugs in teir drivers for 3+ years.

People know that switching from X to a vc always was a dead system, for years. Stuff like that cause people to state that the drivers are crappy.

I also fail to see why you talk about windows sales, the article is about unix (AND ALIKES), not windows.

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RE[2]: Re: Nvidia
by TechGeek on Sun 16th Sep 2007 15:44 in reply to "RE: Re: Nvidia"
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Well, I may a small minority when I use Linux, but I am the man making the decision when my department buys hundreds of computers. And they ALL get Nvidia cards. ATI sucks. Period. End of story. They have a lot of work to do to get away from that reputation. I am happy that they are trying though. Who knows, in a couple years it may be Nvidia who sucks, not ATI.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

"They so far have written crappy drivers, which is the major reason people use NV."

Hmmm...a sweeping generalization I think!


Being a life long ATI customer (and oh how that pains me to admit), I can say that there Windows drivers and media software are Beta quality at best. I've had nothing but grief with ATI under both Windows and Linux. Each driver update seems to break something different in the media software. Each media software update gets more flaky. And what driver update requires that you uninstall the previous driver, sand your computer back down to the generic VGA then install the new update. ATI's drivers are not an update in either installation process or functionality.

My Radeon All In Wonder 9600 may as well be a door wedge at this point. If the drivers improve by releasing full specs then I'll happily return to buying there products but at this point my new machine is looking like Hauppage and nVidia to cover the same functions with true cross platform support. They have until my bank account says I get to start buying parts.

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cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"Being a life long ATI customer (and oh how that pains me to admit), I can say that there Windows drivers and media software are Beta quality at best. I've had nothing but grief with ATI under both Windows and Linux. Each driver update seems to break something different in the media software. Each media software update gets more flaky. And what driver update requires that you uninstall the previous driver, sand your computer back down to the generic VGA then install the new update. ATI's drivers are not an update in either installation process or functionality. "

I know you are talking specifically about ati binary blobs. You have a R300 card this topic is only *indirectly* related to your card. The R300 already has an open source driver. That would have solved your update pain. Although the open-source ones although *stable* are slower for gaming because they are not feature complete, even some events in the compositing Desktop are unusable. I strongly advise that you check-out 6.7.193 which I suspect will be the delayed stable release of the open-source ati driver, as it is a lot more feature complete, without the hassle of the binary drivers.

Why I say indirectly related is because the specification for the R300 are marked to be released *later*. I have little knowledge of the new binary drivers. I didn't use the old ones.

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