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bah
by spikeb on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 01:27 UTC
spikeb
Member since:
2006-01-18

stop wishing for a port of proprietary software and start wishing for application x to implement feature y

RE: bah
by Eugenia on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 01:31 in reply to "bah"
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2005-06-28

This will take forever. It took Sony Vegas 5 years to become as polished as it is, and it has at least 20 (clueful) engineers working on it full time. It would take Kino and KDEnLive another 10 years to get where Vegas is today (and no, Cinelerra doesn't cut it either).

Sorry, but I can't wait that long. I need functionality, and I needed it yesterday.

If an OSS video editing app gets the kind of maturity and stability I am after, of course and I would use it over a proprietary one. But it has not been the case for years, and in fact this is not the first time I am whining about it. Linux and video editors are just not a good mix so far. That's just the truth.

Edited 2007-09-22 01:33

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RE[2]: bah
by kaiwai on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 03:46 in reply to "RE: bah"
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2005-07-06

This will take forever. It took Sony Vegas 5 years to become as polished as it is, and it has at least 20 (clueful) engineers working on it full time. It would take Kino and KDEnLive another 10 years to get where Vegas is today (and no, Cinelerra doesn't cut it either).

Sorry, but I can't wait that long. I need functionality, and I needed it yesterday.

If an OSS video editing app gets the kind of maturity and stability I am after, of course and I would use it over a proprietary one. But it has not been the case for years, and in fact this is not the first time I am whining about it. Linux and video editors are just not a good mix so far. That's just the truth.


Unfortunately I don't see Sony doing it any time soon - these are the same people who have refused to disclose ATRAC specifications, refuse to disclose NetMD specifications, refuse to port any of their applications to *NIX (of any flavour). Sorry to say, but isn't going to happen - the best advice is to look at a Mac if you don't want to run Windows. Its the only viable alternative out there to Windows which currently has the largest array of proprietary applications.

I run OpenSolaris B73, and it is fabulous, but I realise that until some eccentric millionaire comes out of the middle of no where and invests a huge sum into a project or a company drops the 'quarter by quarter' CEO's in favour of long term investments; realising that the Windows market is going to be eventually dominated by Microsoft and their solutions - their only hope of survival is to look at making their applications available on alternative platforms.

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RE[3]: bah
by dopp0 on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 16:46 in reply to "RE: bah"
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2007-08-29

Linux (as ubuntu) is no good for people like you.

Stick with windows and Sony and be happy! o_O

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RE[2]: bah
by itinerant on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 17:01 in reply to "RE: bah"
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2005-07-06

I work a lot with video using resolutions above HD. FCP, Premiere start creaking at these resolutions, but I agree with you Vegas sits there looking slightly less pretty but doing the job. I've been searching for an open alternative for a few years - Kino, Kdenlive and Cinelerra just don't cut it. A lot of this video originates in 3D land, and I've been using Blender for about 10 years - more and more I've been turning to Blender first for video editing - I'm not saying it's as pretty as Vegas, but the flexibility keeps amazing me - I found out last week I can use footage captured from a Canon HV20 directly in Blender, either in the sequence editor or as a texture. Of course you need to have the right libraries, which is why I always end up back on Gentoo, I got tired of chasing media repositries in Fedora, Debian etc...

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RE: bah
by polaris20 on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 12:58 in reply to "bah"
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2005-07-06

typical response. Some of can't use Linux equivalents because well, they just can't touch the proprietary stuff. They simply don't. And it'll take them years to catch up, and by that time the proprietary apps will have moved on even further.

Stop wishing for the world to embrace in an open source hug and realize that there's a time and place for proprietary apps.

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RE[2]: bah
by lemur2 on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 13:28 in reply to "RE: bah"
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2007-02-17

Some of can't use Linux equivalents because well, they just can't touch the proprietary stuff.


There is no reason why "proprietary stuff" can't be made for Linux.

Quite a lot of proprietary software vendors are prepared to offer Linux versions of their wares.

There is nothing at all about either Linux or Windows that makes one or the other a better or worse platform on which to run either proprietary or open source applications.

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RE[3]: bah
by polaris20 on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 20:18 in reply to "RE: bah"
polaris20 Member since:
2005-07-06

There is no reason why "proprietary stuff" can't be made for Linux.

Oh I know, and I agree. I'd love to see more companies port their stuff to Linux. I run VMWare Workstation at work, which of course I paid for.

I am surprised that more companies don't do that.

My comment was more directed at people thinking that some proprietary software can be replaced easily with open source software. Often that's just not feasible, sometimes it's impossible (within the near future).

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