Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 23rd Sep 2007 13:43 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Just like Eugenia yesterday, I also upgraded my laptop's Ubuntu Feisty installation to Gutsy a few days ago. The upgrade process went completely awry, though, so I was forced to do a fresh install. Not a bad thing, as it gave me the opportunity to take a look at Ubuntu's soon-to-be-released Gutsy Gibbon with GNOME 2.20
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Thom_Holwerda
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2005-06-29

The fact that many reviewers,not just Tom or ELQ, mention these things as novelties shows both the lack of depth in may of these reviews, the fact that Ubuntu has become defacto Linux for many people who have not had a chance or bothered to try a different desktop environment and/or the fact that many people have somewhat irrationally made a choice to stay with one desktop and never bothered to check back again whether that choice is justified.


What are you on about? I've most likely used more Linux distributions than you can count, and have actively used so many desktop environments it's not even funny anymore. I regularly use KDE, in case you want to know, and know it inside-out.

The new things in I mentioned ARE NEW TO GNOME/UBUNTU. When I'm (p)reviewing a product, should I say, at every new feature: "the following products already include this feature", followed by a list?

Come on now, your rant was way out of line, and makes no sense at all. On top of that, if you had bothered to look beyond your own nose, you could've seen this article was not a review at all.

This "allergy" that people seem to feel about running applications from both KDE and Gnome is a bit irrational, to the point that many applications are being rewritten k3b, Amarok, simply so that they can use the same toolkit. What a colossal waste of time and what a shame to see the free software community suffering from NIH (not invented here) syndrome.


I'm sorry, but simply DETEST mixing KDE and GNOME applications. I have my reasons for that, but even if I didn't - it's my choice, and that's enough reason alone.

Edited 2007-09-23 21:47 UTC

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DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

The new things in I mentioned ARE NEW TO GNOME/UBUNTU. When I'm (p)reviewing a product, should I say, at every new feature: "the following products already include this feature", followed by a list?

That's not an acceptable excuse Thom and you know that. We're not talking about hundreds of window managers or different distros here, but about the TWO biggest desktop environments available out there for *nix desktops. Praise GNOME for features that have been available on its biggest competitor for years and not even mentioning it?!?!? You call this non-biased journalism??? Whisky-Tango-Foxtrot!

I really don't see what is so hard in saying something like "Ubuntu got feature A which is a good thing although this same feature has been present in KDE-based distros for quite sometime" or something along these lines.

Not that I particularly missed anything as I am pretty aware of these features and have been enjoying them for years and Ubuntu reviews on this website is like preaching to the choir anyway, but you guys could at least pretend that you're doing a fair and balanced review...

I'm sorry, but simply DETEST mixing KDE and GNOME applications. I have my reasons for that, but even if I didn't - it's my choice, and that's enough reason alone.

I would say "Your loss, pal!" here. I don't like to mix toolkits as well but I wouldn't settle down with an inferior application just because the better one happens to be coded with the "other toolkit". I mean seriously... Why use any GTK-based music player instead of Amarok, which is hands down the best music player currently available? Why use a Qt vector drawing application when currently there is nothing that beats Inkscape? That reasoning is beyond me...

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

That's not an acceptable excuse Thom and you know that. We're not talking about hundreds of window managers or different distros here, but about the TWO biggest desktop environments available out there for *nix desktops. Praise GNOME for features that have been available on its biggest competitor for years and not even mentioning it?!?!? You call this non-biased journalism??? Whisky-Tango-Foxtrot!


I'm sorry I stepped on your KDE heart. I haven't seen Aaron Seigo complain here yet, and he's kind of my benchmark on these issues ;) .

I really don't see what is so hard in saying something like "Ubuntu got feature A which is a good thing although this same feature has been present in KDE-based distros for quite sometime" or something along these lines.


Yeah, and then I'd be labeled as a KDE fanboy. You haven't been on the internet long, have you?

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FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

"I would say "Your loss, pal!" here. I don't like to mix toolkits as well but I wouldn't settle down with an inferior application just because the better one happens to be coded with the "other toolkit". I mean seriously... Why use any GTK-based music player instead of Amarok, which is hands down the best music player currently available? Why use a Qt vector drawing application when currently there is nothing that beats Inkscape? That reasoning is beyond me..."

Agreed. I think all this fuzz about toolkit wars is total rubbish. Windows Media Player looks totally different from all the other Windows apps and somehow people are fine with that. The latest Office looks totally different from other Windows apps and people are fine with that. Ditto for MSN Messenger. Heck, most commercial Windows apps these days use some kind of custom control or are in some way skinnable, and I don't see people complaining about that.
The difference in looks between GTK and QT is not that great, yet people make a huge deal about this.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Why use any GTK-based music player instead of Amarok, which is hands down the best music player currently available?


Amarok the best music player out there? Well, it might be for you, and that's great. I absolutely hate Amarok, it's the seed of the devil for me, UI wise. It has vertically labeled text tabs for crying out loud! Any application who has those ought to be removed from the internet by law.

Seriously. It's great you like Amarok, but please don't make sweeping generalisations about it being the best there is - because it isn't.

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leos Member since:
2005-09-21

I'm sorry, but simply DETEST mixing KDE and GNOME applications. I have my reasons for that, but even if I didn't - it's my choice, and that's enough reason alone.


Of course it is your choice. But I find it absolutely mystifying that you're complaining about there not being a simple app like MS Paint available, and then using a poor alternative just to avoid running a KDE application.

As others have said, Kolourpaint is basically exactly like MS Paint, except without the little annoyances (like not having more than two zoom levels) and some more powerful features. It's a great tool for quick and dirty image modifications (like resizing, labeling, cropping, etc).

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