Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 23rd Sep 2007 13:43 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Just like Eugenia yesterday, I also upgraded my laptop's Ubuntu Feisty installation to Gutsy a few days ago. The upgrade process went completely awry, though, so I was forced to do a fresh install. Not a bad thing, as it gave me the opportunity to take a look at Ubuntu's soon-to-be-released Gutsy Gibbon with GNOME 2.20
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RE: Good review with some caveats
by Rehdon on Sun 23rd Sep 2007 21:45 UTC in reply to "Good review with some caveats"
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I understand your point, but in actual practice you have two major disadvantages when you mix applications using different toolkits:

1. you have to install and keep up to date more stuff

2. you have more stuff to load into memory

and if the distro you're using hasn't put some work into a common theme (which wouldn't be your first choice anyway, probably ...) you'll also have different GUIs on your desktop.

So, I sort of agree with you ... but actually try to use Gnome only apps ;)


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porcel Member since:


Well, either way, whether it is a Gnome app or a KDE app, it is one more application to update and if it's a KDE application in a Gnome environment, there might also be a slightly larger number of libs to update vs. a monolithic environment.

The memory usage is slightly higher, but it is unnoticeable most times, considering the very high specs of even the cheapest computers nowadays.

For me, however, the benefits outweigh any potential downsides. I like to use the best tool for the job, irrespective of whether it's a Gnome or KDE application.

Finally, I have found that Gnome applications look just fine under KDE, thanks to the GTK Styles and fonts applet in KDE's control center and I have also used KDE applications such as Kdissert on my work Ubuntu desktop and the differences in look and feel were very minor for the most part.

I think we have bigger fishes to fry than trying to reimplement every application in the toolkit of our choice, but then again people are free to do whatever tickles their interest: it's free software after all.

Edited 2007-09-23 21:56

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"1. you have to install and keep up to date more stuff"

Which distribution in 2007 doesn't automatically keep track of updates for you?

"2. you have more stuff to load into memory"

This might actually be a valid point, but even on my old Athlon 1.4 Ghz with 380 MB RAM I couldn't notice any significant system slowdowns when I run GNOME and KDE apps at the same time. Memory usage is still fine when I have Gedit, Firefox and Amarok running at the same time. Today, my system has 1 GB RAM and loading a KDE app doesn't seem to make any difference in perceived memory usage.

I think this "uses too much memory" is overrated anyway.
- Consider OpenOffice: it uses it's own widget toolkit, but few GNOME/KDE users are religiously avoiding OpenOffice the way that they're avoiding apps that use the "other" toolkit.
- Consider most commercial Windows apps. One can say that each one of them use their own widget toolkits because of all the custom controls. Windows Media Player looks totally different from standard Windows apps, so it's definitely not using the standard Windows widget set. MSN Messenger looks totally different as well, and I don't think it uses the same widgets as Windows Media Player. Throw in WinAmp, Trillian, Adobe Reader and a few other Windows apps, and you easily have 6 different widget toolkits on Windows. Yet I don't hear Windows users avoiding Adobe Reader because it uses a different widget toolkit.

"and if the distro you're using hasn't put some work into a common theme (which wouldn't be your first choice anyway, probably ...) you'll also have different GUIs on your desktop."

Since the review is about Ubuntu: I'd say Clearlooks (GTK) and Plastic (QT) look pretty similar. My dad is a total computer n00b (he has trouble understanding tabs in Firefox or even copy & paste) but he can't seem to notice the difference between GTK and QT apps.

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