Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 23rd Sep 2007 13:43 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Just like Eugenia yesterday, I also upgraded my laptop's Ubuntu Feisty installation to Gutsy a few days ago. The upgrade process went completely awry, though, so I was forced to do a fresh install. Not a bad thing, as it gave me the opportunity to take a look at Ubuntu's soon-to-be-released Gutsy Gibbon with GNOME 2.20
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Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Why use any GTK-based music player instead of Amarok, which is hands down the best music player currently available?


Amarok the best music player out there? Well, it might be for you, and that's great. I absolutely hate Amarok, it's the seed of the devil for me, UI wise. It has vertically labeled text tabs for crying out loud! Any application who has those ought to be removed from the internet by law.

Seriously. It's great you like Amarok, but please don't make sweeping generalisations about it being the best there is - because it isn't.

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anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

...but please don't make sweeping generalisations..


"You haven't been on the internet long, have you?" -- Thom Holwerda

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DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

I don't know... I don't think that Exaile developers think that Amarok's UI is that bad considering that Exaile is an almost exact copy of Amarok - including that vertical toolbars, mind you! - but made with GTK for GNOME desktops and since it has become somewhat popular among GNOME users lately, I'd be inclined to believe that Amarok UI is in fact just fine. Remember the old saying? "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".

Seriously. You might not like Amarok because of something on its UI - or because it is made with Qt - but you can't deny that it is the most full featured music player out there because it is.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Seriously. You might not like Amarok because of something on its UI - or because it is made with Qt - but you can't deny that it is the most full featured music player out there because it is.


That's the whole problem right there. I don't WANT features in my music player - I want it to play music, darn it! The Amarok guys are so feature and information hungry that they managed to make a music player difficult to use! That's a feat, I'll give them that.

Mind, though, that WMP and iTunes suffer from the exact same problem. In order to keep interest in iTunes going, for instance, Apple has been continiously force-feeding us compeltely useless updates to a music player that used to be so-so - now it's an absolute dog.

Wrote about this very issue on my blog this morning, by the way.

http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2007/09/24/746/

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devurandom Member since:
2005-07-06

Feature-wise, what beats Amarok on Linux? Not trolling, it's a serious question: if there's a better alternative, I want to know it. ;)

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netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

Songbird

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Feature-wise, what beats Amarok on Linux? Not trolling, it's a serious question: if there's a better alternative, I want to know it. ;)


I don't know about "better", but there are some music collection organisers and players of similar functionality:

Listen:
http://www.listen-project.org/

Songbird:
http://www.songbirdnest.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbird_(software)

Banshee:
http://banshee-project.org/index.php/Main_Page

Exaile:
http://www.exaile.org/

JuK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JuK
http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/juk.html

Rhythmbox:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythmbox
http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/

Edited 2007-09-24 13:07

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

VLC ;)

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Isolationist Member since:
2006-05-28

"Feature-wise, what beats Amarok on Linux? Not trolling, it's a serious question: if there's a better alternative, I want to know it. ;) "

mocplayer!

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I absolutely hate Amarok, it's the seed of the devil for me, UI wise. It has vertically labeled text tabs for crying out loud! Any application who has those ought to be removed from the internet by law.

Oh, woe is you! Vertical tabs are not particularly great and shouldn't be used per se, but they're not particularly unusable either. You have icons there as well, so you're not completely relying on text. I don't read the text in the tabs at all, but I found out what they did pretty quickly. Personally, I think there are bigger problems out there, such as Kontact's insistence on using nothing but horizontal arrow key keyboard navigation in a vertical listbox, or Gnome's ridiculous insistence on drinking the instant-apply anti-freeze and giving me no way of reversing what I've done in a dialogue other than me remembering where things were. Duhhhh, that's why I use computers.

They need to organise what they present better, but it's not the end of the world as some people desperately want to make out that it is - for reasons that are best known to them ;-).

Seriously. It's great you like Amarok, but please don't make sweeping generalisations about it being the best there is - because it isn't.

That's great for you, but the facts are that people can sort their music and their playlists well in Amarok, they're able to get lyrics and use other services, they're able to get artist information, see tracks by the same artist in their collection, do album art.......

People can do all that, and it all actually works more often than not without a .Net traceback in sight! What do I want then? Have something without vertical text in tabs, or have something that works most of the time? Hmmmmm, it's a tricky one........

Give us a laugh and tell us what media player you think is the best.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

They need to organise what they present better, but it's not the end of the world as some people desperately want to make out that it is - for reasons that are best known to them ;-).


The problems arise from WHAT they are presenting. They want to present so much information, that the UI simply cannot cope with it - forcing them to do weird things like vertical tabs and tabs inside tabs with scrollarrows on them.

That's great for you, but the facts are that people can sort their music and their playlists [...] something that works most of the time? Hmmmmm, it's a tricky one........


Still, there are also enough people who simply hate over-functional-audio-players like Amarok/iTunes/WMP. I'm one of them.

Give us a laugh and tell us what media [you mean audio player, right?] player you think is the best.


My HiFi CD player.

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apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

Oh boy, not this again. I think I'll stay out of this one.

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