Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 23rd Sep 2007 13:43 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Just like Eugenia yesterday, I also upgraded my laptop's Ubuntu Feisty installation to Gutsy a few days ago. The upgrade process went completely awry, though, so I was forced to do a fresh install. Not a bad thing, as it gave me the opportunity to take a look at Ubuntu's soon-to-be-released Gutsy Gibbon with GNOME 2.20
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I don't know... I don't think that Exaile developers think that Amarok's UI is that bad considering that Exaile is an almost exact copy of Amarok - including that vertical toolbars, mind you! - but made with GTK for GNOME desktops and since it has become somewhat popular among GNOME users lately, I'd be inclined to believe that Amarok UI is in fact just fine. Remember the old saying? "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".

Seriously. You might not like Amarok because of something on its UI - or because it is made with Qt - but you can't deny that it is the most full featured music player out there because it is.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:

Seriously. You might not like Amarok because of something on its UI - or because it is made with Qt - but you can't deny that it is the most full featured music player out there because it is.

That's the whole problem right there. I don't WANT features in my music player - I want it to play music, darn it! The Amarok guys are so feature and information hungry that they managed to make a music player difficult to use! That's a feat, I'll give them that.

Mind, though, that WMP and iTunes suffer from the exact same problem. In order to keep interest in iTunes going, for instance, Apple has been continiously force-feeding us compeltely useless updates to a music player that used to be so-so - now it's an absolute dog.

Wrote about this very issue on my blog this morning, by the way.

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DeadFishMan Member since:

Well then may I suggest you to use mpg123, moc and mp3blaster? ;)

I agree with you that these applications' developers should restrict themselves to not add useless things to their media players, but I have yet to find something not useful in Amarok.

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manjabes Member since:

Thom, about that vertical tab paranoia that you have. Would you say that this
would be somehow better in this context? The sidebar-type thingy is ALWAYS there staring at your face, whereas the Amarok sidebar can be removed with just a mouse-click. Then it's GONE! Gone, with all the devastating and horrifying context information. And the only remnant will be a small vertically-tabbed bar on the side. The rest would be devoted to the play list.

Or is this
very good usability-wise? This is IMO the case of stuffing unneccesary items on top of each other. All in the spirit of the oh-so-great Gnome HIG.

Now you have announced that a full-featured music player is not what you need. But why on earth do you have to use all the complexity (and bitch about it) in i.e. Amarok? Stuff your albums into the playlist, hide the sidebar and play away. Or use something like Kscd or the Gnome equivalent and play CDs. Or use mplayer.
Apparently you'd prefer a music player that has only one big "PLAY" button to start playing music but unfortunately in most cases this kind of scenario is impossible.

About my claim that got you so excited, yes I really think that "Amarok is just about the cleanest as it gets UI wise". Of course, there is SOME room for improvement, but generally the Amarok team has done just fine. The fact that you cannot take anyone, who doesn't share your deep hate against vertical tab bars, seriously is a sign of the limitations of your firmware, not a valid point to diss Amarok.
I'd say that the Amarok UI is even intuitive (no matter what the almighty HIG might define of being intuitive). When the sidebar is displayed, then the UI is divided into the playlist part and the sidebar part. Compare that with Rythmbox where you have several separated lists for whatever.
And the sidebar and the playlist area are easily distinguished from each other.
And all that I might want to do with a music player/manager is accessible with a simple mouse click. Context information, collection management, external device management etc. And when I don't need them they're out of the way.
And so I conclude that "Amarok is just about the cleanest as it gets UI wise". Yes it's not a one-button-does-it-all application but it is not meant to be one and it cannot be one because the task it's meant for is not suitable for that.

Also, please note that until you realise that you cannot belittle other opinions just because they don't believe in Allah or that vertical tabs are evil then your opinions bear almost no credibility.

Edited 2007-09-24 16:20

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