Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Sep 2007 17:31 UTC, submitted by twickline
Windows "Computers in the European Union should be sold without a bundled operating system, according to this submission to the European Commission. It says that the bundling of Microsoft Windows with computers is not in the public interest, and prevents meaningful competition in the operating system market." This is the conclusion of the Globalisation Instute, a think tank located in Brussels. Please note this is not a(n) (official) statement from the European Commission.
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I completely agree
by Haicube on Mon 24th Sep 2007 17:55 UTC
Haicube
Member since:
2005-08-06

In my point of view it's a disaster that this issue hasn't been resolved a looooong time ago.

On the other hand 95% will install windows anyway, but that fact hardly changes that it is bad for competition...

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RE: I completely agree
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 24th Sep 2007 17:58 in reply to "I completely agree"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I, in fact, do not agree. In any way.

An operating system is a vital part of a computer. A computer without an operating system is completely useless. What would my grandmother do if she needed to buy a new computer - and it didn't come with an operating system? How is anybody supposed to explain that to her?

What the EC ought to do is mandate that computer vendors allow the option to not bundle Windows.

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RE[2]: I completely agree
by IvoLimmen on Mon 24th Sep 2007 18:09 in reply to "RE: I completely agree"
IvoLimmen Member since:
2005-07-06

If your grandmother is buying a computer and is sold a computer without an OS the salesman skipped a few lessons...

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RE[2]: I completely agree
by SReilly on Mon 24th Sep 2007 19:05 in reply to "RE: I completely agree"
SReilly Member since:
2006-12-28

Even though the article was lacking in detail, I'm not sure this think tank actually knows what it's talking about.

A computer without an operating system is crazy. The amount of times I have had to explain the concept of operating systems to laymen leads me to believe that a computer without an OS bundled is a recipe for disaster.

On the other hand, forcing at least large OEM's to either provide the option of no OS bundling or the bundling of an alternative, modern operating system would go a long way towards separating the words 'Windows' and 'Computer' in many peoples minds. That alone would already be a significant move to try and break the MS monopoly, which they seem to be trying to advise the EU on.

I seriously think that having to buy Windows with a new PC is wrong, yet I can't see removing the option completely helping anyone.

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RE[3]: I completely agree
by dbodner on Mon 24th Sep 2007 20:00 in reply to "RE: I completely agree"
dbodner Member since:
2007-07-01

Gee..you sure like to complicate things


Agreed wholeheartedly. Removing any OS from being installed upon the sale of a computer hurts the user experience. Not only does it require they waste more of their time installing an operating system (something they may not have the technical knowledge to do), but it also removes value added services like software bundles (that, while annoying to you or I, does have some value to other users). This isn't about making it harder for the consumer. That should not be the goal. It should be about giving the consumer choice. This doesn't fix anything.

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RE[2]: I completely agree
by Beta on Mon 24th Sep 2007 20:44 in reply to "RE: I completely agree"
Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

It’s quite simple:

Your Gran buys a PC.
In the shop or online, she is offered Windows, MacOS (maybe unlikely), Linux, or other(s) in the shop and gets box.
When she gets it, she wires it up (with help from instructions and/or relations).
Turns it on, and inserts her “Fresh Install” disc.
A few minutes later, the PC is ready, it reboots.
And she is online. (not meaning connected to the internets)

If anything in the above confuses your Gran, well, she does have a loving grand-child whom will help her. ;)
No doubt you taught her how to use it, right?

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RE[2]: I completely agree
by siki_miki on Mon 24th Sep 2007 21:44 in reply to "RE: I completely agree"
siki_miki Member since:
2006-01-17

It has a rudimentary OS, it's BIOS. As the rest is an open platform, it can work with a wide variety of operating systems, so anyone who buys it should have an option to buy it without OS, at a price that is correctly discounted. But you can still ask a reseller to put it on.

It's same as if buying a hard disk and finding tons of MP3's on it, because empty hard drive isn't exactly useful.

AFAICT, problem is not in desktop machines as one can pick up machine out of components (and seller can assemble it) without windows, but with laptops which often come only with a MS tax.

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RE[2]: I completely agree
by Redeeman on Tue 25th Sep 2007 20:20 in reply to "RE: I completely agree"
Redeeman Member since:
2006-03-23

are you saying that your grandma is too stupid to insert an automated install cd/dvd into the computer? are you saying she is too stupid to understand what the OS does?

cause i got bad news for you, theres a little thing called genetics..

newsflash for you, theres a minimum level of intelligence required for anything, like for example driving a car, just because someone cant understand that red light means stop, doesent mean we abandon the concept and let everyone drive wild, by that same idea, if someone doesent understand that they have to install an OS on a computer, or insert an automated disc, they simply can not use a computer, just like they cannot drive if they do not quality.

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RE[2]: I completely agree
by pashar on Sun 30th Sep 2007 08:19 in reply to "RE: I completely agree"
pashar Member since:
2006-07-12

What the EC ought to do is mandate that computer vendors allow the option to bundle Windows.

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