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'Leopard Requirements To Exclude 800MHz Systems'

Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Sep 2007 20:01 UTC

Just weeks ahead of its public launch, Apple has updated the minimum system requirements for its next-generation Leopard operating system to exclude 800MHz PowerPC-based Macs, AppleInsider has learned. Apple has yet to officially announce the hardware requirements to run Leopard, due out in October, but had long stated in developer documentation that the software would require "an Intel processor or a PowerPC G4 (800MHz or faster) or G5 processor." According to people familiar with the matter, engineers for the company recently determined that Leopard installs on 800MHz PowerPC G4 systems ran "too slow". Support for those systems was subsequently pulled from the most recent pre-release copies of Leopard, which inform testers that the software "cannot be installed" on those computers. My take: Assuming this turns out to be true, there are going to be a lot of unhappy G4 owners - including yours truly.

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RE[5]: I hope Apple reconsiders

by binarycrusader on Tue 25th Sep 2007 11:50 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: I hope Apple reconsiders"

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No. He's right. Your claims are baseless. The GPU, not the CPU determines whether Vista disables Glass. Vista will run with Glass on an 800MHz CPU as long as your GPU is Shader Model 2.0 compliant or better.

Again, my claims are not. Vista does a lot of feature scaling based on the speed of the CPU, not just the GPU itself.

You should take your own advice.

I have, can we end this pointless flame thread now?

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RE[6]: I hope Apple reconsiders

by n4cer on Tue 25th Sep 2007 18:26 in reply to "RE[5]: I hope Apple reconsiders"

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Again, my claims are not. Vista does a lot of feature scaling based on the speed of the CPU, not just the GPU itself.

Your original claim was that Vista had higher system requirements than Leopard and that it was "amazing" that Apple was willing to support such low-end systems where Microsoft did not. To quote you:

One could argue that it's rather amazing that they're willing to support the minimum systems they do at all, given how similar operating systems have much higher requirements (e.g. Vista).

The claim of Vista's higher requirements was proven baseless by averycfay posting Vista's system requirements and linking you to that information on Microsoft's website.

You then tried to refute his claims (and move the original topic from minimum supported configuration to minimum supported configuration with all graphical features enabled) by saying:

Not baseless.
Your comparison isn't valid for a few reasons:
* The OS X desktop looks the same regardless of hardware, it may run slower, but it looks the same. Vista disables many graphical features and scales down the OS on older hardware.

This is where I came in to add that Vista can run with all graphical features enabled on the minimum supported configuration and even with Glass enabled as long as you meet the GPU requirements. This invalidates your point of Vista not looking the same on a minimal configuration. You then responded:

Again, my claims are not. Vista does a lot of feature scaling based on the speed of the CPU, not just the GPU itself.

Which is true in general, but has no effect on the validity of my statement to which you were responding, where I stated:

It was then pointed out that you could be talking about the graphical features equivalent to those in XP. Since you initially talked about Vista not looking the same, this would naturally be interpreted as lacking Glass, which would provide a much more pronounced difference in Vista's looks than the features equivalent to XP's found in the System Properties dialog.

In any case, not oly did I point out that you can run Vista with all such features enabled, but that you'd benefit from running such features with Glass enabled as well since they then become accelerated by the GPU (for ClearType alone, it's a difference of 3 passes for pure CPU rendering vs. 1 pass on the GPU). Thus Vista will look exactly the same as it would on a higher spec configuration. I can post screenshots of such a configuration (running a 1GHZ Duron instead of 800MHz Athlon for reasons stated in my previous post -- the Duron is slower than the Athlon was despite the increase in clockspeed because it has less cache and memory bandwidth).

I have, can we end this pointless flame thread now?

The point of the thread was to correct the false claims initially made regarding Apple's level of support vs Microsoft's for their latest respective OS releases. I don't see how a refutation of those claims with vendor-stated requirements and personal experience makes this a flame thread.

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RE[7]: I hope Apple reconsiders

by binarycrusader on Tue 25th Sep 2007 18:28 in reply to "RE[6]: I hope Apple reconsiders"

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2005-07-06

Sorry, but we're going to have to agree to disagree.

My claims stand. Your arguments are just going in circles.

You refute my claims by repeating yourself instead of proving me wrong.

You use weasel words to twist what I say instead of taking meanings from the context.

The fact remains that Vista has higher system requirements *for an equivalent user experience*. I don't feel like I should have to qualify every single statement I make -- this is a forum, not a legal contract!

I think most folks that would read my comment and actually take meaning based on the context could extrapolate the meaning without me having to explain and qualify every single word.

I should stop feeding trolls, why do I bother...

Edited 2007-09-25 18:31

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