Linked by Smith Johnson on Thu 27th Sep 2007 15:22 UTC
Windows According to at least one blogger, Microsoft should abandon Vista before it's too late. It would appear he's not alone in this opinion, as Microsoft has begun allowing users to downgrade back to XP. Amongst the reasons? Poor sales figures and shoddy Vista "Extras".
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RE[3]: my take
by raver31 on Thu 27th Sep 2007 19:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: my take"
raver31
Member since:
2005-07-06

Maybe, you do use both every day, but you cannot compare them like that.

If you are working as root, Ubuntu will not keep asking for the root password.

Vista still activates UAC prompts when you are logged in as administrator. This is both stupid and aggravating, and a major cause of people turning UAC off, thus removing any security benefits Vista had over XP.

Edited 2007-09-27 19:29

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RE[4]: my take
by PJBonoVox on Thu 27th Sep 2007 19:47 in reply to "RE[3]: my take"
PJBonoVox Member since:
2006-08-14

How is turning it off any less secure than running Ubuntu as root? I think you're the one who needs to check what he's comparing.

Edited 2007-09-27 19:48

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RE[5]: my take
by raver31 on Fri 28th Sep 2007 04:27 in reply to "RE[4]: my take"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

If you turn off UAC, it is global.

I never said to run Ubuntu as root, I said working as root. The difference is plain.

I can open a terminal, su to root, then ctrl-d out of root when I am done.

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RE[4]: my take
by Nelson on Thu 27th Sep 2007 19:57 in reply to "RE[3]: my take"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Then edit the User Policies, and it won't ask Administrators for UAC elevation.

Problem solved.

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RE[5]: my take
by raver31 on Fri 28th Sep 2007 04:30 in reply to "RE[4]: my take"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, problem is solved....

However, the problem... no, it is not a problem..

The "oversight" was there in the first place.

Had Microsoft fixed all the reported bugs me and others sent them during the beta-testing, this would have been picked up in the quality assessment stages. It was not removed, and made it into the final Joe Public version.

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RE[4]: my take
by n4cer on Thu 27th Sep 2007 21:53 in reply to "RE[3]: my take"
n4cer Member since:
2005-07-06

Vista still activates UAC prompts when you are logged in as administrator. This is both stupid and aggravating, and a major cause of people turning UAC off, thus removing any security benefits Vista had over XP.


As Nelson said, this can be controlled via policy.
The reason you are still prompted is because applications (including Windows Explorer) are still running with standard user privileges, and system-wide changes require greater privileges. This prevents applications from making such changes without the user's consent.

Another way to avoid the prompts without changing the policy is to execute the app via an elevated process such as a command prompt that was run as administrator. Most applications will inherit the privileges of the process that invokes them.

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