Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 28th Sep 2007 20:10 UTC, submitted by WillM
"Microsoft's Windows Server 2008 RC0 hit the Web earlier this week on the road to its scheduled February 2008 release, toting a new Internet Information Services role for the product's lean and mean Server Core incarnation and a laundry list of small fit-and-finish tweaks. However, the most significant component of the RC0 code drop is one that won't go gold until three or so months after Server 2008 hits general availability: Microsoft's brand-new virtualization services feature, also known as 'Viridian'."
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RE[4]: As usual, too little, too late.
by meianoite on Fri 28th Sep 2007 22:52
in reply to "RE[3]: As usual, too little, too late."
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What does Leopard's UNIX certification do for anyone? A UNIX cert is really not worth the cost of acquiring it in today's world since it doesn't actually mean much. Just about everyone claims POSIX compliance and no one will deny that Macs are unix-y. And yet you'll still need to port apps to the Mac to really make use of it.
When, for example, you're dealing with the government, there's a clear cut difference between "in practice it offers a high degree of compatibility with the UNIX(tm) and POSIX standards" and "it's certified, period". The latter wins contracts, while the former is sneezed at.
Actually, that's almost the whole reason Sun kept Solaris afloat. Sun's biggest customers are the government from various countries.
I strongly suspect Apple is going after those markets as well. It's not like Sun gear is cheap, so the perceived expensiveness of the Macs won't be an issue there, but instead the perceived lack of tradition or dependable expertise in support and hardware reliability (and Macs *are* reliable, but there's still not a single Mac out there with the uptime of some Sun boxes. The "battle-tested" criteria matters a lot to these customers).
We shall see in a couple year's time if Apple is indeed planning to overcome those barriers and lure govt. customers. But if that indeed happens, you read it here first
RE[5]: As usual, too little, too late.
by kaiwai on Sat 29th Sep 2007 05:17
in reply to "RE[4]: As usual, too little, too late."
Member since:2005-07-06
I strongly suspect Apple is going after those markets as well. It's not like Sun gear is cheap, so the perceived expensiveness of the Macs won't be an issue there, but instead the perceived lack of tradition or dependable expertise in support and hardware reliability (and Macs *are* reliable, but there's still not a single Mac out there with the uptime of some Sun boxes. The "battle-tested" criteria matters a lot to these customers).
Mate, you do realise that Sun sell Opteron (and Intel soon) servers and workstations? have you looked at the SPARC64 based servers?
Stop making blatantly ignorant statements about things you know nothing about. Sun is not expansive by any stretch of the imagination.
RE[6]: As usual, too little, too late.
by meianoite on Sat 29th Sep 2007 09:08
in reply to "RE[4]: As usual, too little, too late."
Member since:2006-04-05
Mate, you do realise that Sun sell Opteron (and Intel soon) servers and workstations? have you looked at the SPARC64 based servers?
Stop making blatantly ignorant statements about things you know nothing about. Sun is not expansive by any stretch of the imagination.
Stop making blatantly ignorant statements about things you know nothing about. Sun is not expansive by any stretch of the imagination.
Kaiwai, come on, you should know me better than this by now. There are no hidden agendas here. I'm not employed by the companies I endorse, and I don't endorse them to compensate for diminute body parts. =P
Nobody buys Sun gear because it's cheap, but because it's reliable and durable. They use actual steel screws instead of plastic tabs (like, uhm, Dell). They use decent chipsets. Their SCSI controllers are top notch.
I wasn't saying their gear is expensive, I said it isn't cheap either. It can't even be cheaper given their build quality.
And you so missed how I used the "perceived" word there. Again, contrast to Dell.
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What does Leopard's UNIX certification do for anyone? A UNIX cert is really not worth the cost of acquiring it in today's world since it doesn't actually mean much. Just about everyone claims POSIX compliance and no one will deny that Macs are unix-y. And yet you'll still need to port apps to the Mac to really make use of it.
Enterprises care about remote administration, image-based deployment, seamless logon for users at multiple terminals, scalable directory and file servers, and good development tools for LOB apps. Apple can provide all of these things to some extent, but up till now they aren't as good as Windows for the large enterprise deployment.
VMWare is the real competitor to Microsoft here, not Apple or the Open Source guys. They're good, so this could be a protracted fight. I just hope it doesn't end up in the courtroom.