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Member since:2005-07-24
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Don't you think you are overreacting a bit to bluenosejake's very reasonable correction to your claim? Especially since he is verifiably correct. There is nothing elitist about making a factual correction regarding an erroneous claim that was central to your post.
Member since:2006-03-12
I will repeat myself I have begged pleaded. Leave me alone. I *never* understood the reasoning for your relentless attacks on the FSF and Richard Stallman. Now I am experiencing them first hand I know your reasons well enough.
This low level intimidation needs to stop.
Member since:2005-08-11
"I'm not having another one to with what constitutes a port vs default install, because the bottom line is I don't care"
It's easy to ignore the truth of something if you don't care.
"If you want to play some elitist Distro rubbish with me you have picked the wrong person. Go away."
I wasn't playing any elitist games, I was correcting an error you made. If you can't take getting corrected or being disagreed with, better cancel your internet account and turn your computer off.
Member since:2006-03-12
Actually I wrote "I don't care" because I don't.
I wrote "go away" because I didn't think is was either a good or strong point, and I didn't want to get into a flame war about something I consider trivial....or even relevant to the point my original comment made.
If you have a point its that BSD does not have a "fully functional BSD only Desktop environment" or "BSD is not ready for the Desktop" you have made it. If your are trying to differentiate between a port...and a native application. Its lost on me, all I see is "work has been done so it works on that platform"...but after that I don't care. This is "open-source" whether its BSD or GPL. Doom runs on every platform under the Sun, it has been "ported to those platforms"...lovely. Isn't open-source great. I would say that doom runs "natively" on these platforms *once* it has been ported. I would even say that Doom is *cross-platform*. I would never say that Doom is a "port" unless I was trying to make a *point*.
So lets get back to your point, what is is it!? Its not just you trying to make a point. I think BSD Distributions are. I know its a port(sic) because I explain my mythical-meta-distribution and use the BSD+X+XFCE+Firefox+OpenOffice as an example and looked up the software that runs native on these platforms and gnome has a massive section on the freeBSD site. I think the mentality of "this is my stuff and this is your stuff...but to function we need some of your stuff we will call that stuff a port, and just have a minimal install we can label an OS" is just a desperate. I personally think its backward thinking. I think the goal should be the 95% market share occupied by Microsoft rather than argue about the 0.1 0.01 occupied by GNU/Linux;BSD;Solaris based distributions. Think about my comment on "elitest games"
If you have a truth(sic) its not *MY* truth. If you think *that* your truth is worth your internet account...or even switching on your computer more power to you, but as I said *I Don't Care* have your kernel+CLI tools elitest pissing contest away from me. I'll just continue using my end-to-end fully functioning Desktop solution that comes under at at least 50 different licenses.
Now you don't have to "Go away" because I am. I don't care for this pettiness.
Edited 2007-10-02 18:47
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2006-03-12
Don't use the words "actually"
I got in an interesting flame war on what was native vs available to a Distribution, and that was on a meta Distibution where *nothing* is the default install. I'm not having another one to with what constitutes a port vs default install, because the bottom line is I don't care. I personally am more interested in the component parts of what makes up my own mythical meta-distribution, and selecting the parts that fit my needs. If you want to run without a full desktop GPL solution of either KDE Gnome or Xfce.
If you want to play some elitist Distro rubbish with me you have picked the wrong person. Go away.