Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 4th Oct 2007 15:34 UTC, submitted by te_lanus
SuSE, openSUSE OpenSUSE 10.3 has been released today. "This version contains new beautiful green artwork, KDE 3.5.7 and parts of KDE 4, SUSE-polished GNOME 2.20, a GTK version of YaST, a new 1-click-install technology, MP3 support out-of-the-box, new and redesigned YaST modules, compiz and compiz fusion advances, virtualisation improvements, OpenOffice.org 2.3, Xfce 4.4.1, and much more!"
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RE[2]: disappointed
by sbergman27 on Thu 4th Oct 2007 21:02 UTC in reply to "RE: disappointed"
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

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but this is common...the notion that if it doesn't work properly on my particular machine with no touching it, its a bad release.

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If it doesn't work without technical intervention then the *vast* majority of people are dead in the water with a *ruined* computer: One that was ruined by Linux. I do wish people would stop with this "It's really OK to have mediocre QA and wreck people's computers" crap.

Our OS is popular enough now that we need to be taking responsibility. It's not "polish" any more. It's basic QA.

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RE[3]: disappointed
by thabrain on Thu 4th Oct 2007 23:17 in reply to "RE[2]: disappointed"
thabrain Member since:
2005-06-29

If it doesn't work without technical intervention then the *vast* majority of people are dead in the water with a *ruined* computer: One that was ruined by Linux. I do wish people would stop with this "It's really OK to have mediocre QA and wreck people's computers" crap.

I know you weren't trying to come off as belligerent, however your statement is completely ignoring certain tenets of installing Windows and Linux on PC's

Without the Dell, HP, Gateway and other OEM's preloading their drivers on their systems, anyone that formatted their PC with Windows would be on the hunt for every driver needed, as Windows only has a small snapshot of drivers for 3rd party devices.

Linux actually does better for that, in that most drivers are integrated into the distibution. That's better QA than the "no-responsibility" position that Microsoft has.

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RE[3]: disappointed
by butters on Fri 5th Oct 2007 01:34 in reply to "RE[2]: disappointed"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

A wireless card that can only work (sometimes) with Windows drivers through ndiswrapper is not a QA issue, it's a vendor relations issue. Anyone who buys a Broadcom wireless adapter has nobody to complain to besides Broadcom and the OEM that pushes their chips.

The Sigmatel issue is a different story. That should work OOTB. It the master channel is muted by default, that's a polish bug.

My latest foray into Windows land went far worse than expected. My cousin's computer wouldn't boot due to what seemed like filesystem corruption. I used an Ubuntu LiveCD to back her data to an external HDD. It had network, sound, graphics, etc. all working properly, and she was really impressed with my "magic CD" (her words).

Next I wiped the disk and installed XP Pro SP2 from a retail CD. Windows couldn't detect either of the network adaptors (internal and a USB dongle) or the graphics card. It wouldn't even tell me the make and model of these devices. I had go back to the LiveCD to get information on the hardware and download the appropriate Windows drivers.

You'd think that Windows is popular enough that it should be able to support basic PC hardware.

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RE[4]: disappointed
by sbergman27 on Fri 5th Oct 2007 04:24 in reply to "RE[3]: disappointed"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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Next I wiped the disk and installed XP Pro SP2 from a retail CD. Windows couldn't detect either of the network adaptors (internal and a USB dongle) or the graphics card. It wouldn't even tell me the make and model of these devices. I had go back to the LiveCD to get information on the hardware and download the appropriate Windows drivers.

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I dislike Windows as much as anyone. But you were pitting a years old version of Windows against a brand new version of Linux in a contest of hardware detection. The new Linux CD won. How shocking.

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