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RE[2]: Umm, not for me
by Googol on Thu 4th Oct 2007 21:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Umm, not for me"
Googol
Member since:
2006-11-24

You really need to get off that totally unwarranted attitude against Novell. Or maybe not, just start using Windows. Because if you ripped out all the parts Suse and now Novell are contributing to you would be sitting as a command line. Novell ist not simply repackaging like 99% of the +100 one-man-show Linux-distris, they contribute substantially to those things you are using to support your case for Linux.

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RE[3]: Umm, not for me
by sbergman27 on Thu 4th Oct 2007 21:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Umm, not for me"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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You really need to get off that totally unwarranted attitude against Novell.

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That is debatable.

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Or maybe not, just start using Windows.

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Oops. That's where you start to lose it. Just start using Windows? There's a little foam at the corner of your mouth, there. ;-)

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Because if you ripped out all the parts Suse and now Novell are contributing to you would be sitting as a command line.

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OK. Now you are really spouting gibberish. If it weren't for Novell, we'd all be sitting at a command line all the time? Yeah, right.

Novell has made contributions to Linux. And they have also acted in ways which are still open for debate.

The jury is still out on Novell. My bet is that they will continue to take questionable actions to further what they proudly proclaim to be their "Mixed Source" business.

Why people continue to give them the benefit of what is left of the what started out as a questionable doubt is beyond me.

Edited 2007-10-04 21:57

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RE[4]: Umm, not for me
by grat on Thu 4th Oct 2007 22:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Umm, not for me"
grat Member since:
2006-02-02

Why people continue to give them the benefit of what is left of the what started out as a questionable doubt is beyond me.

Because aside from the FSF insisting that Novell is agreeing there are infringed patents in linux, Novell has a track record of opening closed-source code, providing support (and jobs) for open source developers, co-founding the OIN, and suggesting that Sun needs to be a little more forthcoming with the OpenOffice.Org community?

The following page is about as official a stance as you can get from Novell on patents, yet people ignore it, or pretend it doesn't exist, or even more sickeningly, claim it's just a front to further Microsoft's goals.

http://www.novell.com/company/policies/patent

Novell has said one thing, Steve Ballmer and the FSF have said something different. If you'd rather believe Steve Ballmer, that's entirely up to you.

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RE[3]: Umm, not for me
by shapeshifter on Fri 5th Oct 2007 09:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Umm, not for me"
shapeshifter Member since:
2006-09-19

just start using Windows


No, thank you, I'm quite happy with Slackware and Debian.

Because if you ripped out all the parts Suse and now Novell are contributing to you would be sitting as a command line


Care to name some?

Novell ist not simply repackaging like 99% of the +100 one-man-show Linux-distris


Umm, have they written their own kernel and gnu tools?

All Novell did was reach deep into their almost empty pocked (after being just about obliterated from the market by Microsoft) and bought themselves Suse and Ximian. Novell itself hasn't done anything new since Netware. And it took them over half a decade to even start to figure out what to do with Linux.

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RE[4]: Umm, not for me
by Erunno on Fri 5th Oct 2007 09:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Umm, not for me"
Erunno Member since:
2007-06-22

Care to name some?

You wouldn't sit on the command line without Novells involvement (and money) but the Linux desktop would be in a far less enjoyable state. For instance, Novell pays developers for GNOME, KDE, Kernel and OpenOffice. They funded the development of Compiz, XGL, AppArmor and Mono (continued funding). There's bound to be more projects of which I don't know of. Here's an additional list with projects where openSUSE team members are involved:

http://en.opensuse.org/Novell_Supported_Projects

I'm actually quite surprised that you don't seem to be aware that you are probably using a lot of Novell-funded code.

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