Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 4th Oct 2007 15:34 UTC, submitted by te_lanus
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RE[3]: Umm, not for me
by sbergman27 on Thu 4th Oct 2007 21:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Umm, not for me"
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

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You really need to get off that totally unwarranted attitude against Novell.

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That is debatable.

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Or maybe not, just start using Windows.

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Oops. That's where you start to lose it. Just start using Windows? There's a little foam at the corner of your mouth, there. ;-)

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Because if you ripped out all the parts Suse and now Novell are contributing to you would be sitting as a command line.

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OK. Now you are really spouting gibberish. If it weren't for Novell, we'd all be sitting at a command line all the time? Yeah, right.

Novell has made contributions to Linux. And they have also acted in ways which are still open for debate.

The jury is still out on Novell. My bet is that they will continue to take questionable actions to further what they proudly proclaim to be their "Mixed Source" business.

Why people continue to give them the benefit of what is left of the what started out as a questionable doubt is beyond me.

Edited 2007-10-04 21:57

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RE[4]: Umm, not for me
by grat on Thu 4th Oct 2007 22:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Umm, not for me"
grat Member since:
2006-02-02

Why people continue to give them the benefit of what is left of the what started out as a questionable doubt is beyond me.

Because aside from the FSF insisting that Novell is agreeing there are infringed patents in linux, Novell has a track record of opening closed-source code, providing support (and jobs) for open source developers, co-founding the OIN, and suggesting that Sun needs to be a little more forthcoming with the OpenOffice.Org community?

The following page is about as official a stance as you can get from Novell on patents, yet people ignore it, or pretend it doesn't exist, or even more sickeningly, claim it's just a front to further Microsoft's goals.

http://www.novell.com/company/policies/patent

Novell has said one thing, Steve Ballmer and the FSF have said something different. If you'd rather believe Steve Ballmer, that's entirely up to you.

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RE[5]: Umm, not for me
by sbergman27 on Thu 4th Oct 2007 22:31 in reply to "RE[4]: Umm, not for me"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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Because aside from the FSF insisting that Novell is agreeing there are infringed patents in linux, Novell has a track record of opening closed-source code

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Please don't associate me too closely with the FSF.

That said, Novell has a track record of buying Open-Source companies and opening up certain portions of the code, like YAST, which had value to the original company, but little value to them, while keeping their own closed source code close to their chests, proudly proclaiming their mixed-source status. Ransom Love and the old "Caldera, Inc" got roasted by the community for a lot less. (I defended them at the time!)

I put Balmer and Hovsepian in pretty much the same category. Except that Balmer has the much stronger hand of cards. If I were Hovsepian, I'd feel pretty desperate at this point. And I probably wouldn't care if I had to damage Linux to save Novell. *If* I were Hovsepian, that is.

Edited 2007-10-04 22:34

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