Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 7th Oct 2007 15:19 UTC
KDE KDE developer Pinheiro revealed his ideas on the next KDE menu, dubbed 'Raptor'. "What is Raptor? Raptor is a an amazing project I have been working on in the last few days. It tries to be a fresh new way of finding your desktop applications, and interacting with its users." A design document (containing more screenshots) is also available [.pdf].
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RE: Vaporware
by GeneralZod on Sun 7th Oct 2007 17:10 UTC in reply to "Vaporware"
GeneralZod
Member since:
2007-08-03

"Basically, since the beginning of 2007, they kept promising us great things. KDE4 will have this and that, etc."

Also, since the beginning of 2007 (exactly!), they've been giving us things like this:

http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2600

Key quote from the article:

"There will be users (and young editors) who don't understand the difference of KDE 4 and KDE 4.0 and will call KDE 4.0 incomplete or a disappointment because it will not do all stuff they read about KDE 4 will be able to do and who expect the release cycle and development cycle to be something like "Microsoft Vista": a big dump of changes containing some new features to live with the next five years (and a lot of new features the competition introduced in the last five years)."

"Remember all these articles about KDE4 new exciting features?"

Which ones? The Road to KDE4 series? If so, Troy made sure to write articles only on features that were already present and usable in trunk. They may not be utilised in KDE4.0 (akonadi is a good example of this), but they are *there*, well-developed, and as such can hardly be labelled "vapourware".

"However, they failed to deliver at least one usable "beta" up to now. They were supposed to release KDE4 on october 23 too. However, next week, all we will get is another alpha release (that they will call beta). "

This I agree with - as far as I'm concerned, 4.0 itself will be at best a beta.

"A few days ago they started to work on one central piece of the desktop (that thing called Raptor)."

Raptor has been in development for several months - a casual stroll through websvn reveals commits going back to March. However, Plasma (including whatever will be the default 4.0 menu) is undeniably the least developed of the pillars of KDE4 which is bad as it is the most user-visible even as it has received the least amount of attention.

Far from a malicious "deception", I think the KDE team are mainly guilty of not understanding the full extent of people's expectations for KDE *4.0*, presumably because, as developers, it is perfectly obvious to them that the entirety of planned features for the KDE4 series are not going to be spring forth fully-formed and functional on the release day of 4.0. What they should have done is taken beineri's blog posting and made it into a full-blown dot article so that more people are aware of what are KDE 4.0 goals and what are long-term KDE4 goals. Malice, incompetence, etc.

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RE[2]: Vaporware
by rx182 on Sun 7th Oct 2007 17:17 in reply to "RE: Vaporware"
rx182 Member since:
2005-07-08

GeneralZod: You do have good points.

However, I still believe KDE 4.0 should be a major release. OSX 10.0 didn't look like OS9 at all ;)

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RE[3]: Vaporware
by Erunno on Sun 7th Oct 2007 17:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Vaporware"
Erunno Member since:
2007-06-22

OSX 10.0 didn't look like OS9 at all ;)

Mac OS X also had a very troubled start if the Ars review of 10.4 is to be believed. People look at Leopard/Tiger today and seem to forget that the initial release was allegedly plagued by serious performance and stability bugs so much that Apple released 10.1 for free. Plus, the UI and features got refined other the years (Spotlight, Dashboard, etc) so why don't we give KDE 4 also a couple of years and releases before we pass final jugdgement on it?

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RE[3]: Vaporware
by tyrione on Sun 7th Oct 2007 19:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Vaporware"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

KDE isn't an Operating System. It's maturing Desktop environment. The heavy lifting for the filesystem, networking, etc., is done in the kernel, whether it's FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Linux, OS X< Solaris, etc.

Let's not forget Trolltech Qt which KDE is co-dependent upon getting much of it's capabilities.

Edited 2007-10-07 19:19

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