Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 8th Oct 2007 20:13 UTC, submitted by luna6
SuSE, openSUSE A review of OpenSUSE 10.3, which concludes: "While openSUSE's efforts to simplify Linux or Window-fy Linux can be commended, the inconsistency in their implementation is its downfall. Opening applications quickly becomes a chore with the excessive amount of clicks needed to find the application you want. The application browser loads slowly, looks cluttered, and uses icons that are too large. Yast has been improved but still feels slow."
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RE[4]: Lame review...
by grat on Tue 9th Oct 2007 01:58 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Lame review..."
grat
Member since:
2006-02-02

I'm shocked that OpenSuse is still using XGL. Not only does it require one to have to run not one but two X Servers during normal use, but if you want to, say, run a 3D game... you have to start yet a *third* X Server. Last I checked, anyway. I took one look at how clunky XGL was, switched to AIGLX and never looked back. Except that then I switched back to a regular 2D desktop since Compiz Fusion is still so very buggy.

Mark this one on the calendar, I completely agree with you. ;)

I'll grant that XGL will probably run on more systems without issues, but that's a serious case of least-common-denominator thinking.

Compiz Fusion is getting better, though... I've almost got it up to the level I expect from KWin on dual monitors-- window placement isn't quite there, and the screensaver occasionally starts... "off-center" for lack of a better description. Even with some of the workarounds installed, it's close, but not quite.

openSuSE 10.3 is the first time I've considered staying with Compiz/KDE enabled, though, so progress is happening.

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RE[5]: Lame review...
by sbergman27 on Tue 9th Oct 2007 02:18 in reply to "RE[4]: Lame review..."
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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Mark this one on the calendar, I completely agree with you. ;)

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I just happen to have one of those stick-on smiley faces from Office Depot. You know, the kind with the glitter on them? Right here in front of me. Done! ;-)

The issue I always seem to have with Compiz is that it suddenly starts forgetting to decorate the windows for no apparent reason. No borders. No title bar or buttons. No way to actually manage the windows. Somehow it also "knows" to wait until I am working on some time critical task for a client to do it. Not sure who put that heuristic in there, or how it was done. I quickly turn turn the damned thing off, switch back to Metacity, curse it under my breath, and go on.

I also have some serious doubts about the actual usability benefits of most of the composited stuff. Most of them seem like usability *deficits* to me. ;-)

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RE[6]: Lame review...
by segedunum on Tue 9th Oct 2007 12:03 in reply to "RE[5]: Lame review..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

The issue I always seem to have with Compiz is that it suddenly starts forgetting to decorate the windows for no apparent reason. No borders. No title bar or buttons. No way to actually manage the windows.

I've had that as well. Things get even weirder when you start running Java and other types of application.

I also have some serious doubts about the actual usability benefits of most of the composited stuff. Most of them seem like usability *deficits* to me. ;-)

I just think to get all this stuff to work properly, it has to be in the default window manager. All this separate XGL, AIGLX and Compiz stuff is just a recipe for things not working.

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