Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Oct 2007 16:14 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Microsoft Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer has warned users of Red Hat Linux that they will have to pay Microsoft for its intellectual property. "People who use Red Hat, at least with respect to our intellectual property, in a sense have an obligation to compensate us," Ballmer said last week at a company event in London discussing online services in the UK.
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RE: Good Lord
by google_ninja on Tue 9th Oct 2007 16:28 UTC in reply to "Good Lord"
google_ninja
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2006-02-05

Does RedHat provide indemnification to its users? I know commercial operating systems do, but most linux distros don't. I am not sure about RH, as it kind of sits in the middle.

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RE[2]: Good Lord
by Rahul on Tue 9th Oct 2007 16:38 in reply to "RE: Good Lord"
Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

Red Hat does

http://www.redhat.com/rhel/details/assurance/

Novell's deals has only helped validate this kind of FUD.

"Ballmer praised Novell at the UK event for valuing intellectual property, and suggested that open source vendors will be forced to strike similar deals with other patent holders."

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RE[3]: Good Lord
by hussam on Tue 9th Oct 2007 17:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Good Lord"
hussam Member since:
2006-08-17

Novell's deals has only helped validate this kind of FUD.
Yes, that is true. Microsoft only made their deal with Novell to show that Novell, a big Linux distributor, believes Linux infringes Microsoft's IP.

I was discussing this today with one of the Gnome folks and he told me that the reason Microsoft isn't showing us what patents Linux infringes is that even if those claims were true, the affected code would be quickly rewritten or the patent claim would fail in court. Either way, Microsoft loses and they know it.

And FYI, the only reason Microsoft Windows is so popular is that wide availability of applications for it. Only a few people use windows because they are impressed by the internals of the OS itself.
If big engineering applications (not games) like AutoCAD, matlab and SAP2000 get ported to Linux, windows will suffer greatly.

Edited 2007-10-09 17:36

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RE[2]: Good Lord
by Redeeman on Tue 9th Oct 2007 16:44 in reply to "RE: Good Lord"
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2006-03-23

i dont think you know what commercial means.... you are looking for the word proprietary.

And as to your questions, redhat does provide indemnification.

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RE[2]: Good Lord
by amadensor on Tue 9th Oct 2007 17:28 in reply to "RE: Good Lord"
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2006-04-10

Actually they often do not. Many users of Microsoft SQL Server (I believe the 2000 version) were sued and lost on a patent infringement case.

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RE[3]: Good Lord
by wirespot on Wed 10th Oct 2007 15:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Good Lord"
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2006-06-21

Many users of Microsoft SQL Server (I believe the 2000 version) were sued and lost on a patent infringement case.


I honestly don't see how that would happen. How is a user supposed to know what patents (if any) the software he's using infringes? And even if he does, why is it his problem? It should be the manufacturer's problem.

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RE[2]: Good Lord
by Soulbender on Wed 10th Oct 2007 04:23 in reply to "RE: Good Lord"
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2005-08-18

"Does RedHat provide indemnification to its users?"

In most countries this is not necessary since end-users/consumers can not be expected to understand the internal complex workings of the products they purchase and what patents they could possibly violate. Patent violations are the responsibility of the manufacturer and/or distributor.

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