Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Oct 2007 16:14 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Microsoft Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer has warned users of Red Hat Linux that they will have to pay Microsoft for its intellectual property. "People who use Red Hat, at least with respect to our intellectual property, in a sense have an obligation to compensate us," Ballmer said last week at a company event in London discussing online services in the UK.
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RE[2]: Good Lord
by Rahul on Tue 9th Oct 2007 16:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Good Lord"
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Red Hat does

Novell's deals has only helped validate this kind of FUD.

"Ballmer praised Novell at the UK event for valuing intellectual property, and suggested that open source vendors will be forced to strike similar deals with other patent holders."

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RE[3]: Good Lord
by hussam on Tue 9th Oct 2007 17:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Good Lord"
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Novell's deals has only helped validate this kind of FUD.
Yes, that is true. Microsoft only made their deal with Novell to show that Novell, a big Linux distributor, believes Linux infringes Microsoft's IP.

I was discussing this today with one of the Gnome folks and he told me that the reason Microsoft isn't showing us what patents Linux infringes is that even if those claims were true, the affected code would be quickly rewritten or the patent claim would fail in court. Either way, Microsoft loses and they know it.

And FYI, the only reason Microsoft Windows is so popular is that wide availability of applications for it. Only a few people use windows because they are impressed by the internals of the OS itself.
If big engineering applications (not games) like AutoCAD, matlab and SAP2000 get ported to Linux, windows will suffer greatly.

Edited 2007-10-09 17:36

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RE[4]: Good Lord
by Constantine XVI on Tue 9th Oct 2007 17:50 in reply to "RE[3]: Good Lord"
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RE[4]: Good Lord
by JonathanBThompson on Tue 9th Oct 2007 19:02 in reply to "RE[3]: Good Lord"
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Wishing for something to be true doesn't mean it is or ever would be true: the number of seats for all the "big engineering applications" is a rather self-limiting market by nature of the fact that it's "engineering" that requires far more than the average bear knows and comprehends in order to be useful, and the situations where the software is of value is also that limited. I've worked on such applications personally, and the number of seats (if you're doing well) numbers somewhere in the thousands for the higher-end 3D stuff. Why do you think Microsoft has never entered the fray of that market? Surely, they have the software engineering resources that if they truly wanted to, they could throw resources at it over a period of time and within a few years, they'd have something that could take on AutoCAD or Kubotek KeyCreator (what I worked on until I was laid off) ProEngineer or the other few in the field.

A HUGE thing that makes it less likely for most of those high-end packages from ever being ported to all the linux distros is precisely because there's so many mutations to choose from, and the QA testing nightmare involved. Microsoft Office is a simple thing to test for correct behavior and add new behavior, compared to complex 3D CAD software, because whatever minor nitpicky output might actually be considered a defect, at least one customer has critical drawings that were used for manufacturing their products from that, and they aren't that forgiving of their resulting products changing from one "minor" change of behavior between fixes/updates. As much as Linux and mutations change in small, subtle ways and not-so-subtle ways, combined with the practical observation that everyone else in an organization is already using Microsoft Office and other applications for managing workflow, budgeting, etc. that's all nicely integrated, that (AFAIK) isn't currently available for Linux that's not custom-written.

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RE[4]: Good Lord
by sjf4 on Wed 10th Oct 2007 17:17 in reply to "RE[3]: Good Lord"
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Autocad is a rare exception to engineering software that's not available for Linux. Most engineering software was first available for UNIX, so it's not too difficult to port it to Linux.

At least where I work, more people run Windows because they want Office or Outlook than run Windows because they need some specialty science/engineering application.

MATLab, Mathematica, Maple, Fluent, Patran/Nastran, ProEngineer, Cadence, Synopsys, ModelSim, ArcGIS, Abaquas, Ansys are just a few available for Linux.

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