Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Oct 2007 16:16 UTC, submitted by AdamW
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris Mandriva Linux 2008 is now available for download on the official site (release announcement), and on the network of public mirror servers. 2008 includes all the latest software and enhancements over previous Mandriva releases. You will find KDE 3.5.7 and the new GNOME 2.20 already integrated, kernel 2.6.22.9 with fair scheduling support, OpenOffice.org 2.2.1, a 3D-accelerated desktop (Compiz Fusion and Metisse), Firefox 2.0.0.6, and much more. You can read about the new features of Mandriva Linux 2008 in depth in the Release Tour. The release notes contain important information on changes from previous releases. The errata will contain information on any future known issues and solutions for them.
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First impressions on Mandriva one 2008
by JeffS on Tue 9th Oct 2007 21:18 UTC
JeffS
Member since:
2005-07-12

It's fast, easy, and looks gorgeous. Install was fast and easy. HD detection was pretty good.

However, there are some annoying "gotchas".

1. Numlock is enabled by default. Mandriva even has a numlock daemon to make sure numlock is on. Also in Mandriva, in the KDE control center, under peripherals, keyboard, the numlock toggle is on by default. OK, fine, I turned off the stupid daemon, and turned off the toggle in KDE control center. But then I still had the problem when providing the root password (for apps that require it, like MCC). Yes, can still disable numlock manually with my laptop keyboard. But it's a huge annoyance, which has not happened to me with any other distro.

2. RPMdrake is slick. It's fast and easy. However, when I selected a huge number of packages (lot's of Java stuff, and games, and such), it kept say "such and such package has a bad signature, do you want to install anyway?" This meant I had to keep hitting "Yes", over and over again. This might have to do with the Cooker repos Adam mentioned, but it was a huge annoyance nonetheless.

3. Upon logging into KDE, it went into a "Starting Services" screen, until I hit the enter button, and then the KDE desktop came back.

4. 3d acceleration failed. Not a biggie, but you can't run ppracer, or tuxkart, or other similar games, without it. It's also manually configurable, but all my attempts in doing so have failed.

These are all annoyances that make me not want to use Mandriva. Too bad, because it had a lot going for it.

I seem to be having bad luck with RPM distros of late:

The latest Fedora failed in configuring X on my laptop.

SuSE 10.3 was a disaster (tried it yesterday). It took 2-1/2 hours to install, it's fonts kept getting messed up, it's slab menu was very bulky and inefficient, and it was pretty heavy on resources.

PCLinuxOS, while pretty great with most things, failed to have 3d acceleration enabled. I want this, and I don't have the time to figure out how to do it manually.

I've had much, much, much better luck with Debian and Ubuntu, and derivatives. Deb + Apt is much better than RPM + yum/yast/urpmi, and the Debian/Ubuntu repos are much more vast and well managed than any of the RPM repos. HD detection in Debian distros is flawless for my hardware (all peripherals work perfectly, video is flawless - with 3d acceleration, no numluck problems, etc). Heck, even plain ol' Debian Etch has given me a vastly superior experience to any of the RPM distros - Debian Etch is almost as user friendly as Ubuntu.

I also like Slackware and derivatives, but they require too much manual configuration for my tastes.

So, it's Debian and derivatives for me. I think Debian and Debian based distros have gone far ahead of the rest of the pack. Unless RPM distros start getting their act together, Debian and Ubuntu and derivatives will dominate (and deservedly so).

Edited 2007-10-09 21:21

Reply Score: 4

AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

#2 is indeed just a teething issue while we sort the online repositories out. If you remove your repositories and reconfigure them, you should find that either a) it works or b) they won't set themselves up at all any more. Hope for a). ;) If you get b), it should turn itself into a) if you try again tomorrow.

#4, what graphics card do you have? Are you using Free or One?

Reply Parent Score: 3

JeffS Member since:
2005-07-12

I'm using Mandriva One.

The graphics card is an onboard Via CLE266.

I will most definitely try the repos again, BTW.

Also, do you have any hot tips regarding the numlock thing, based on my previous description.

BTW - thanks for your response. As my previous post stated, I'm in a pro-Debian, non-RPM phase right now. But I'm actually wanting to really give both Mandriva and openSuSE a good college try.

Both have put out great distros in the past (Mandrake 10 was far and above the best distro I'd used at the time of it's release).

Plus, I'm somewhat bored with Debian, Ubuntu, and derivatives. Time for something different. :-)

Reply Parent Score: 2

Mark6 Member since:
2007-10-09

It took 2-1/2 hours to install


That's because you installed from net. Just uncheck it at the beginning of the installation and then it takes about 15 minutes.

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DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

While I agree with you in most points, I was surprised that you listed this as an annoyance:

1. Numlock is enabled by default. Mandriva even has a numlock daemon to make sure numlock is on. Also in Mandriva, in the KDE control center, under peripherals, keyboard, the numlock toggle is on by default. OK, fine, I turned off the stupid daemon, and turned off the toggle in KDE control center. But then I still had the problem when providing the root password (for apps that require it, like MCC). Yes, can still disable numlock manually with my laptop keyboard. But it's a huge annoyance, which has not happened to me with any other distro.

To me, it is usually the opposite. I appreciate a lot the Numlock on per default as a nice touch. However, I use Linux mostly on desktop systems so I can understand where your frustration comes from if you're using it on a laptop.

Perhaps they should add a conditional checking during the install procedure to enable it on desktop systems and disable it on laptops.

Reply Parent Score: 2

arctic Member since:
2006-04-19

#1 Actually, I really like that numlock is enabled by default. I always install it on other distros. So, it's a matter of taste...

#4 You are using the CLE266, the same chip that my Laptop uses. That gfx-chip is afaik not able to perform 3D-stuff in any decent way on any linux or other OS, it never was.

Reply Parent Score: 1

JeffS Member since:
2005-07-12

"You are using the CLE266, the same chip that my Laptop uses. That gfx-chip is afaik not able to perform 3D-stuff in any decent way on any linux or other OS, it never was."

Understood. Google Earth doesn't run on my lappy, no matter if it's Windows or any Linux distro. But what I'm talking about is running simple stuff like PlanetPenguin Racer.

On the aforementioned Debian based distros, PPRacer is smooth and fast (with this cheap-o lappy and Via chip), but on PCLinuxOS, openSuSE, and Mandriva, it's veeery sloooow and jerky.

GLGears shows the bits per second slow, if that means anything.

Not that PPRacer, or other similar games, is all that important to me (I'm not a gamer). But it's nice to have that diversion once in a while, and it's nice to know that the Distro install is making the best possible use of my hardware.

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