Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Oct 2007 16:16 UTC, submitted by AdamW
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris Mandriva Linux 2008 is now available for download on the official site (release announcement), and on the network of public mirror servers. 2008 includes all the latest software and enhancements over previous Mandriva releases. You will find KDE 3.5.7 and the new GNOME 2.20 already integrated, kernel 2.6.22.9 with fair scheduling support, OpenOffice.org 2.2.1, a 3D-accelerated desktop (Compiz Fusion and Metisse), Firefox 2.0.0.6, and much more. You can read about the new features of Mandriva Linux 2008 in depth in the Release Tour. The release notes contain important information on changes from previous releases. The errata will contain information on any future known issues and solutions for them.
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Questions from a distro hopper
by porcel on Tue 9th Oct 2007 21:23 UTC
porcel
Member since:
2006-01-28

I am a long term Mandriva fan, but Ubuntu (in beta form) and Suse 10.3 arrived sooner on this laptop.

Is there anybody who has tried all three able to put some arguments in favor of Mandriva. I might try it on a friend's computer, but I am too lazy to install it just for the sake of it, unless one of you make a very convincing argument as to its capabilities vis-a-vis Suse and Ubuntu.

All in all, Mandriva seems to be back in the game. Its web site has improved, its communications have improved and the software itself seems to have improved.

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agrouf Member since:
2006-11-17

I didn't try Suse but I believe one of the advantages of Mandriva over Suse is package manager speed. urpmi is faster than yast. But I can't tell if Suse is better since I didn't try it.
I tryed Ubuntu and apt-get/aptitude is the fastest you can get from big distros. Ubuntu is rather easy but Mandriva takes ease to a whole new level. The Mandriva control center is the best. Ubuntu has improved a lot, but there are still issues, like wifi/wpa configuration if you don't have the right hardware and upgrading the kernel often breack stuff (especially if you have proprietary drivers). Overall, I believe Mandriva is easier in the long run. I mean, Ubuntu looks very easy until you get caught breacking everything after an upgrade.
As I said earlier, I used Ubuntu and Mandriva and now I've moved to some harder distros because I like tinkering to make things work. I've tryed gentoo, which wasn't much of a chalenge because I had my Mandriva around where everything work as an example and to chroot. I'm now running LFS installed from Mandriva as host OS, and that is becoming interesting.
If you like the easy way where you just install and use, then Mandriva is the way to go, unless Suse is better. Ubuntu is easy at first, but things like virtualization or driver management just aren't so mature yet, but it has other advantages, such as apt-get and community support. That said, I didn't try the latest Mandriva 2008 yet, and I'll probably be disappointed again if it works so easily as 2007.

Edited 2007-10-09 22:20

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netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

You don't miss anything if you decide not to run it.
Personally if wineX and powerDVD are reason enough to buy powerpack Mandriva box.

Will there be a 2008 powerpack boxed version including wineX and powerDVD?

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flojlg Member since:
2007-01-11

I was a long time mandrake fan but when came the 9x series it was a disaster then I changed to debian and then of course to Ubuntu since the beginning !
But as since 3 versions I don't see any ( sorry for the zelots) change and as it become a bit an "ennoying distro" (I mean not enough excitment at my point of view).
As came the 10.3 I thought it could be a good move but to install something you have to wait the repos to be checked, yast is what ever you want except "user friendly" (I use gnome so it's their first attempt), and if you want to install anything a bit exotic you may know a lot then to rearrange everything (even a some fonts !! it was a mess and 2 hours to reorganize the baby...)
Then I saw mdv 2008 why not downloaded and installed, great everything went smooth and neat, checked 2 or 3 parameters ( by the way why this stupid idea to reconfigure nautilus with spacial effect !!? )
I am actualy downloading a full 39 Euro version because in 4 days now i had a nice simple distro giving me pleasure and fun ...
This distro look as the new mandriva site, at least or last a good idea.
I hope they will continue this way.

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

The spatial configuration for Nautilus is the official GNOME default, which we respect. Ubuntu patches it to have the non-spatial version as the default. So it's the other way round from what you thought ;)

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alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

The reason I always liked it a lot for unsophisticated users was the control center tools. Everything in one place, easy for them to find and use. Once you explain the difference between configuring the desktop and configuring the system, they find it quite easy to manage.

The thing that turned me off it was the instability with the 10x onwards. Not of any particular version, but the upgrade process. For a while it seemed like trying to move from one annual release to the next was totally unpredictable in what it would do. Sometimes it worked flawlessly, other times it resulted in an unbootable system, other times the result was unstable. One occasion I just could not get it to even do a clean install, and this was on more than one machine.

If you find yourself in this situation, you hopefully have taken a Debian disk with you to the site, and you don't have a lot of choice, you just pop it in and go. Yes, administering it is going to be quite a bit more complicated for them. But at least it works, and it upgrades reliably.

I'm 80% on the download now, but am really in two minds about whether to even try this, or to just migrate them straight to Debian...

This is probably the real argument about Debian - its not package management as such, at least as regards packages, its more the system upgrade process, and how labor intensive and fraught it is when you have to do annual or every couple year system updates, and you have stopped trusting the process for a particular distro.

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porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

Your comments on Debian are spot-on.

I don't trust any other distro, particularly rpms one, to work well after an upgrade, particularly an online update.

On desktops, I always place /home in its own partition so that I can do a clean installation without having to worry about whether the upgrade will work or not.

I have, however, moved servers from Debian Sarge to Etch without issues.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I don't trust any operating system, at all, during an upgrade process. I must just be pessimistic. Windows, [insert any Linux flavor here]... you name it. Even if the upgrade process technically works flawlessly, IMO it's still better to just start from scratch and have a nice, fresh, clean drive. With Linux distros and most other non-Windows OSes, it's a breeze, thanks to the ability to separate user directories from the main file system. With Windows... well, not quite, but having a spare NTFS partition/drive lying around eases the pain quite a bit.

That said, I'm sure there are some distros and operating systems out there that can keep going for years, even with regular upgrades. Debian, as others have mentioned above, is one; I've also heard that the BSDs are rock-solid when it comes to upgrading. Even if I were to run such a system, I would probably still do a complete reinstall every few years, even if not absolutely necessary, just for extra confidence. That, and to clean up all the crap that accumulates on the drive without having to bother looking through it ;)

Besides... there's no fun cleaning up a mess. But starting a new OS installation from scratch, on the other hand... that can be pretty fun.

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