Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 11th Oct 2007 21:38 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Red Hat Red Hat is taking a business-as-usual stance in the face of renewed rumblings from Microsoft's Steve Ballmer over the need for Red Hat Linux users to pay up. Ballmer has repeatedly claimed that Microsoft IP is found in Linux. "People who use Red Hat, at least with respect to our intellectual property, in a sense have an obligation to eventually compensate us," said Ballmer at a Microsoft event last week in London. But Red Hat itself has adopted a stance that keeps it above the Microsoft patent fray. "At this point, please reference our previous statements on this topic," said a Red Hat spokesman contacted Tuesday about Microsoft's statements on Red Hat Linux users. The spokesman pointed out a Red Hat blog posted "after the last FUD statements from Microsoft" in May, she said. Shuttleworth agrees.
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RE[2]: LOL
by dylansmrjones on Fri 12th Oct 2007 14:36 UTC in reply to "RE: LOL"
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July 26, 2007 : Jonathan Taub (then Director of Strategic Alliances for the Mobile and Embedded Devices (MED) in Microsoft) joins Acacia Research Corporation as Vice President.

October 1, 2007 : Brad Brunell (former General Manager for Microsoft's Intellectual Property Licensing and former Senior Director with responsibility for digital media licensing (making deals with Disney and Time Warner) and setting up the DRM-patent licensing company known as Content Guard and he is also former Group Manager in Microsoft managing business groups responsible for Microsoft's DRM technologies) joins Acacia Research Technologies as Senior Vice President.

October 8, 2007 : It is reported that Steve Ballmer, Microsoft, threatens Red Hat with patent lawsuits in the beginning of October 2007.

October 9, 2007: IP Innovation, a subsidiary of Acacia Research Corporation, sues Red Hat and Novell over a patent for implementing "sticky windows" on multiple workspaces.

Hmm... That pattern says everything.

They are not going after Microsoft. Microsoft does not have such a thing implemented, though the XP power toy is a possible target - except Microsoft controls the company completely.

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RE[3]: LOL
by Marcellus on Sat 13th Oct 2007 06:27 in reply to "RE[2]: LOL"
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Does it mean anything at all that MS people went to this company? No. But of course, you see MS "Men in Black" around every corner and can't comprehend the fact that execs do change companies now and then.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that someone would target Linux with a lawsuit such as the one against RH and Novell, eventually. Does that mean MS is behind it? No, but you take it as fact that MS are because Acacia took some people from MS.

Please just go to groklaw and slashdot and join people of your own caliber where you can pat yourselves on the backs with incoherent MS bashing.

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RE[4]: LOL
by dylansmrjones on Sun 14th Oct 2007 19:59 in reply to "RE[3]: LOL"
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Does it mean anything at all that MS people went to this company?

No it doesn't have to mean anything. Just because there is a sequence doesn't mean the elements are related. In order to establish relationship we need more information than just sequence. If you read my post, you'll see that I'm not basing it solely on sequence but on further analyses.

It is suspicious that execs with special knowledge on patents and patent ligitation are switching company just prior to (or at the same time as these) warnings about patent ligitation.

No. But of course, you see MS "Men in Black" around every corner and can't comprehend the fact that execs do change companies now and then.

Insults and ad hominem attacks are not valid arguments. But no, I don't see MS "Men in Black" _anywhere_. But Microsoft does have a proven track record for violating laws and stooping as low as possible to beat competitors. Of course I can comprehend people switching from one company to another, but when people with special knowledge about patents and patent ligitation switches to another company just prior to their former company warning about lawsuits against a specific company, and their new company just after that warning sues that named company, then the pattern is VERY suspicious. That this is a sequence of "coincidences" are highly unlikely, considering their knowledge, the timeframe, the warnings from Steve Ballmer, the new company's reputation as patent troll, Microsoft's past as criminal organisation with no respect for laws at all or decent behavior.

Acacia didn't just take some people. They took some people just prior to suing Red Hat. And these people have special knowledge about patents and patent ligitation and Acacia sued (through proxy) Red Hat just after Steve Ballmer warned about patent ligitation against Red Hat.

I never read slashdot. Slashdot are for GPL-fanatics and Microserfs. I read Groklaw, but Groklaw is about law and not about Microsoft or Red Hat or anything but lawsuits about software.

When Microsoft misbehaves it deserves bashing. When Red Hat misbehaves it deserves bashing. When Microsoft does something right, it deserves being applauded. Sometimes I'm against Microsoft, sometimes I'm pro-MS.

There are many posts at OSN where I defend Microsoft. There are also many posts where I bash Microsoft. Does that make me a GPL-zealot (despite being ambivalent about GPL)? Does that make me a MS-basher (despite often defending Microsoft)?

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