Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 14th Oct 2007 15:10 UTC, submitted by michuk
KDE "KDE 4 is coming. It's starting to look and behave in a mature enough manner to use it on a normal desktop. This article is a little introduction as to what you should expect from the brand new KDE that is due out later this year." Lots of screenshots too.
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Desktop toolbox?
by J.R. on Sun 14th Oct 2007 16:25 UTC
J.R.
Member since:
2007-07-25

Whats with the "Desktop toolbox"? Is this going to be there in the final release?

Other than that it is starting to look good. Too bad KDE seem to be a second-class citizen in many of the large distros like Fedora and (K)Ubuntu.

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RE: Desktop toolbox?
by GeneralZod on Sun 14th Oct 2007 16:34 in reply to "Desktop toolbox?"
GeneralZod Member since:
2007-08-03

"Whats with the "Desktop toolbox"? Is this going to be there in the final release?"

It was actually replaced very, very recently with a slightly less ugly semi-circle with an icon in it in the top-right corner of the desktop, although I hope a better solution will be found eventually. You can see a picture in one of Fred's screenshots here.

http://files.fredemmott.co.uk/ss-20071014.jpg

"Too bad KDE seem to be a second-class citizen in many of the large distros like Fedora and (K)Ubuntu."

Indeed ;) It's a crazy world, but whaddya gonna do? ;)

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RE[2]: Desktop toolbox?
by J.R. on Sun 14th Oct 2007 17:08 in reply to "RE: Desktop toolbox?"
J.R. Member since:
2007-07-25

"It was actually replaced very, very recently with a slightly less ugly semi-circle with an icon in it in the top-right corner of the desktop, although I hope a better solution will be found eventually. You can see a picture in one of Fred's screenshots here."

I would still prefer to not have it on the desktop at all, because in my opinion this feature should not be used very often. Perhaps on the context menu or something would be better. How often do you use this anyway? Once or twice to configure the look of your desktop and then never again?

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RE[2]: Desktop toolbox?
by aseigo on Sun 14th Oct 2007 23:25 in reply to "RE: Desktop toolbox?"
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

yes, there's a little circle area. it's still ugly, though, as i have done exactly nothing to style it. once it's all working nicely it'll have a nice translucent gradient (glassish) with a tasteful border edge for contrast.

first function (designed with style in mind, of course), and then style. finish carpentry is called that for a reason ;)

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RE: Desktop toolbox?
by parentaladvisory on Sun 14th Oct 2007 16:37 in reply to "Desktop toolbox?"
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2006-12-18

I would guess, at least regarding Ubuntu, that KDE is considered to "complex", for their easy-to-use desktops for newcomers.

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RE[2]: Desktop toolbox?
by kaiwai on Sun 14th Oct 2007 17:14 in reply to "RE: Desktop toolbox?"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I would guess, at least regarding Ubuntu, that KDE is considered to "complex", for their easy-to-use desktops for newcomers.


It actually has to do more with the licence of the widget kit - and the naive assumption that if they don't have a 'developer friendly licence' such as the LGPL, no developer will write applications for their said operating system. Given that no commercial application vendor has yet come to *NIX, I don't see the whole point of 'shunning KDE'.

For me, I'm excited about KDE 4 appearing on Solaris. I love GNOME to pieces but I much rather prefer running KDE with Amarok, Kopete and hopefully KOffice 2.0 will appear as well. Its a huge step forward in the world of open source desktop applications.

Within a few years I hope that we'll be saying, "Adobe who?" when it comes to applications - that open source applications will get to the point where people move to *NIX and don't actually care if their 'big names' aren't there, because the replacement applications are superior and at the right price - free :-)

Edited 2007-10-14 17:15

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RE[2]: Desktop toolbox?
by segedunum on Sun 14th Oct 2007 19:37 in reply to "RE: Desktop toolbox?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I would guess, at least regarding Ubuntu, that KDE is considered to "complex", for their easy-to-use desktops for newcomers.

I would still dearly love to know who these users are, and who these supposed newcomers are.

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thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

Other than that it is starting to look good. Too bad KDE seem to be a second-class citizen in many of the large distros like Fedora and (K)Ubuntu.

Ubuntu defaults to GNOME simply because it was created by people who prefer GNOME, and had the goal to create an operating system with the GNOME user interface.

Similar for Kubuntu; it was created by people who prefer KDE, so it defaults to KDE.

A lot of Fedora developers are not only GNOME users but GNOME developers as well, which is why you might get the impression that it favors it instead of KDE.

Another example is Debian. GNOME is installed by default simply because it's the most popular environment among its users, but GNOME and KDE related packages get all the attention their respective developers are willing to give them.

This comment generated a few theories, and some trolls even already chimed in, which is too bad. The answer is quite simply IMO, and has nothing to do with licenses or release management.

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apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

Considering Mark has said that it had to do with release management, and has called for a release timetable similar to gnomes from the Kde devs, I'd say you are dead wrong.

http://www.abclinuxu.cz/clanky/rozhovory/mark-shuttleworth?page=1

Read the fourth and fifth questions and his answers after that. I think that says it all.

Edited 2007-10-15 02:43

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Shade Member since:
2005-07-07

"Another example is Debian. GNOME is installed by default simply because it's the most popular environment among its users"

Umm, did you just pull that out of the air?

Gnome:
http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=gn...

KDE:
http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=kd...

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