"When Red Hat announced its upcoming Linux desktop at its annual summit in May, the company predicted the Red Hat Global Desktop would be out by September. Now, delayed a bit, the new desktop Linux will be appearing in November, company executives are saying. The delay was caused, Gerry Riveros, Red Hat senior product marketing manager for enterprise Linux, said in an exclusive interview with DesktopLinux.com, by Red Hat's desire to support Intel's full PC hardware platform lines."
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Member since:2005-07-07
By signing the OIN, they sign their patents away and any possibly way of making money off the R&D. Microsoft want to sign agreements on the basis of per-company basis. If Sun, the once avowed 'anti-Microsoft' can suck in their bottom lip - I'm sure Red Hat could do it too.
Sun? What has Sun to do with this? Sun is one of the biggest OSS contributors, agreed, but... Sun is not in the same boat as RedHat. Talk is about Linux, not Solaris. Solaris (and even OpenSolaris) is not bound in the same realm of constrictions as Linux
Besides that, Sun has made more money on MS than paid. And since they are out to make money, that was considered as good investment.
Probably this is not the best thread for you to be involved in.
Microsoft want to receive money for their R&D; if others use the biproducts of that R&D, I don't think its uncalled for, for two companies to sit down and come to an arrangement where by the originator can receive a reasonable level of compensation for the work done.
Like first. There is no talk about R&D, it's all about patents in that deal. (off course you could argue, that without R&D there is no chance of producing IP)
Assuming software patents do exist. Lucky me, I'm living in the rest of the world wher software is either copying real life or math and physics, but software itself is just a new way to copy.
Which MS R&D would that be? Complete Vista is just imitation of the things and software laying around for ages. Last time I checked nicer package didn't mean insides changed.
Please name one real MS R&D. But be careful. Here's what you can't mention:
- codecs (they are just different math to describe insides which are still audio/video),
- .net? clone of java (and even java is inheriting a lot from predecessors)
- backoffice? c'mon. more integrated. yes. more polished? maybe. but... invention? NO
- protocols? well, they are just extension of basic communication. It's like creating abbreviations to words and claim them as invention.
- UI? Get serious
Whole R&D in computing industry is just like bunch of people running to get the last remaining theater ticket. And the first lucky bastard that arrives and buys it... starts claiming invention.
Member since:2007-02-17
By not signing with OIN and the patent commons, Microsoft deny themselves any possible way of using a respectable array of other company's technology that they could possibly make money off.
So Microsoft don't want to sign with OIN and the patent commons just once and receive access to multiple company's patents at the one fell swoop? Pray tell, why on earth not?
So why should Microsoft not do it too? Sign with OIN and gain protection from all those patents?
Again there is this determination to ignore the R&D of other companies, as represented by the patents held by OIN and the patent commons.
Microsoft say they have patents. OIN & patent commons have patents. Microsoft say they want to do a deal, with an aim to mutual protection from each others patents. So Microsoft can be protected from OIN & the Patent Commons patents, in exchange for Linux being protected form Microsoft's (dubious) patents, and all is sweet, surely?
What is Microsoft's problem here? They refuse to say what patents of theirs they mean, and they refuse to even hear about the patents the other side has to deal with ... yet they pretend to want to deal?
There is a word for this type of behaviour as shown by Microsoft here.
HYPOCRITES! FRAUDS! EXTORTIONISTS! LIARS!
OK, so that is four words.
Edited 2007-10-16 14:20
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2005-07-06
If MS would want fair cross licensing (or better, if MS would even want cross licensing deal), they could simply sign OIN deal. They would sign it with all companies at the same time. RH, IBM, Novell...
OIN protects every member, be it OSS or not. Just as long as he plays fair.
By signing the OIN, they sign their patents away and any possibly way of making money off the R&D. Microsoft want to sign agreements on the basis of per-company basis. If Sun, the once avowed 'anti-Microsoft' can suck in their bottom lip - I'm sure Red Hat could do it too.
Microsoft want to receive money for their R&D; if others use the biproducts of that R&D, I don't think its uncalled for, for two companies to sit down and come to an arrangement where by the originator can receive a reasonable level of compensation for the work done.