Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Oct 2007 22:20 UTC, submitted by Valour
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris "Mandriva Linux has a history of inconsistency; one release will be superb, and the next one will be so bug-ridden and feature-weak that it's unusable. The only commonality among all releases are the excellent system configuration tools, which have continued to evolve over the years to match an increasing level of complexity in the desktop software stack. True to form, Mandriva 2008.0 is an excellent release, following the terrible 2007.1, and the just as excellent 2007.0. Some of the important things that were dropped from the previous release (Cedega, LinDVD) are back, and some of the problems (huge K menu button, cluttered menus) have been mitigated."
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Interesting
by Trenien on Wed 17th Oct 2007 04:25 UTC
Trenien
Member since:
2007-10-11

Overall, I find the review one made by a very strongly opinionated individual who raises valid issues about Mandriva.

That said:
"the desktop switcher needs to go down to two (or none -- do people really use multiple desktops all that frequently?) from four"

The author should try using multiple desktops. Once you've gotten used to them, going back to a desktop that lacks that functionality is a huge pain in the rear.

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RE: Interesting
by imapi on Wed 17th Oct 2007 06:48 in reply to "Interesting"
imapi Member since:
2005-07-06

"The author should try using multiple desktops. Once you've gotten used to them, going back to a desktop that lacks that functionality is a huge pain in the rear."

Amen to that, the rear cases when I have o use windows I feel like I'm all tied up - only one desktop

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RE[2]: Interesting
by cjcoats on Wed 17th Oct 2007 12:03 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
cjcoats Member since:
2006-04-16

I normally run 8 desktops, at 2048x1536 virtual (1600x1200 physical).

When I had to deal with a single-desktop machine with 1600x1200 physical only, while my machine was in the shop, my productivity dropped by about 30%.

FWIW.

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RE[2]: Interesting
by Cutterman on Wed 17th Oct 2007 16:02 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
Cutterman Member since:
2006-04-10

"...the rear [sic.] cases when I have o use windows I feel like I'm all tied up - only one desktop.."

Windows has MSVDM (one of the MS PowerToys) which works very nicely tho' you're limited to 4 desktops. Or you could use the GNU licenced Virtual Dimension - http://virt-dimension.sourceforge.net/ - which works better and has more.

I don't use Windows anymore but its really boring when Linux jocks slag off MS for not having features that are there all along.

Mac

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RE: Interesting
by kwanbis on Wed 17th Oct 2007 13:28 in reply to "Interesting"
kwanbis Member since:
2005-07-06

I use 99.99% of my apps maximized, so I always wondered what difference is to have multiple desktops than to have multiple windows opened. At any time, i can only see the maximized window. Or i'm missing something?

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RE[2]: Interesting
by gustl on Wed 17th Oct 2007 14:45 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

You are missing something, definitely!

The main advantage of having several Desktops is, to show only the applications from one desktop in the taskbar.

You can in such a way organize your taskbar much better.
If you have for example 20 Windows open, then the taskbar is already very cluttered, even if similar applications are grouped together. And 20 Windows are for me just to handle the everyday office stuff plus one project I work on.

I usually have not only one project to work on, but 3 or four. so I should have open somewhere between 40 and 60 Windows to work efficiently.
On Windows, I currently have 5 file explorer Windows open, and I never can remember which file explorer belongs to which project.
If I had 4 desktops, I would have one for office, and 3 for one project each. I can keep track of which project is on which desktop more easily, than remembering that the the 3rd explorer, the 4th and 7th console and the 1st to 3rd excite window belong to project one, and explorer window 2,4 and 5 belong to project two.

4 desktops is just one level of organization more, if you don't need it, don't use it, nobody forces you into this, but for others it's absolutely necessary.

But to make this experience, you would have to switch your taskbar settings so that it shows only the windows of the currently selected desktop in the taskbar.

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RE[2]: Interesting - GIMP
by jabbotts on Wed 17th Oct 2007 16:16 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

You can use a desktop per task for thigns like GIMP which use multiple windows. For things like browser/ftp/email, those are indavidual window programs so stack them all on a desktop and sue alt-tab. In the case of terminals, four terms in a 2x2 block are nice since you can use one for reference while typing in the other (paths on a remote system curing scp, man on a second term when mucking with a new command, README |more'd in a second term while installing or compiling some such thing.

It really depends on the task grouping per desktop.

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RE: Interesting - I use 4 desktops minimum
by jabbotts on Wed 17th Oct 2007 16:10 in reply to "Interesting"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

The problem for me is being at work for 8 hours infront of a winXP box with only one desktop and an average of 11 or more items in the taskbar. "grouping" sucks rocks for my needs so it get's cluttered quickly.

At home, 4 desktops minimum. one for browsing and current tasks, one for email and system details, one for VMware console and rdesktops into VM windows boxes and the last for my four standard Eterm windows. (why email and system stats ended up on the same desktop; who knows.. just did).

I expand the Mandriva taskbar to "normal" size and make it hide itself to keep out of the way and make that line of four desktops into a 2x2 box. I also adjust the key commands to change desktops in the four directions for when I don't want to touch the mouse or raise the hidden taskbar.

As someone else mentioned; once you get used to multiple desktops, one is a crude way to work.

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