Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Oct 2007 20:27 UTC
Mac OS X "While the Apple hype machine and its fanatical followers would have you believe that Mac OS X 10.5 'Leopard' is a major upgrade to the company's venerable operating system, nothing could be further from the truth. Instead, Leopard is yet another evolutionary upgrade in a long line of evolutionary OS X upgrades, all of which date back to the original OS X release in 2001. But let me get one huge misunderstanding out of the way immediately: That's not a dig at Leopard at all. Indeed, if anything, Apple is in an enviable position: OS X is so solid, so secure, and so functionally excellent that it must be getting difficult figuring out how to massage another USD 129 out even the most ardent fans. Folks, Leopard is good stuff. But then that's been true of Mac OS X for quite a while now." Additionally, Apple acknowledges installation problems caused by Unsanity's APE, while others are complaining about problems with Java, or visual oddities. Additionally, there are hacks that restore the black dock triangles, opacify the menubar, and to enable Time Machine on Airport disks. Update: It appears the Leopard firewall has a dent in its armour.
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RE[2]: Java
by samad on Tue 30th Oct 2007 00:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Java"
samad
Member since:
2006-03-31

No, Microsoft does not support [1] Java, but--and here's the crucial point--Sun does. You cannot download the JRE or the JDK for OS X from Sun's website. Apple wanted to develop their Java tools in-house. In fact, Apple has been providing their JRE since the days of Mac OS 8.0. That's why people complain to Apple about OS X's Java, because it's Apple's responsibility.

1. By supporting, I think you mean pre-installation or in-house development at Microsoft. The reality is Microsoft and Sun work together to release the Windows version.

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RE[3]: Java
by sanctus on Tue 30th Oct 2007 00:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Java"
sanctus Member since:
2005-08-31

But on the other end, microsoft does not preinstall java the make .net a better alternative. It is no secret that Microsoft tried more than once to harm java.

If Apple stop making java and ask Sun to do so (with their help). Apple could then remove Java from OS X without being hung?

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RE[4]: Java
by PlatformAgnostic on Tue 30th Oct 2007 02:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Java"
PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

I think you have something a little off here. Microsoft did have an in-house java (the MS JVM), that was considered faster than the Sun JVM (I was not very perceptive of these things at the time, so I don't know how good or bad it actually was). Due to a legal settlement with Sun, Microsoft was forced to remove its own JVM and cease distributing it widely (I think it was still available to enterprises that had systems deployed with it).

As far as I can tell, Sun's concern was that the MS JVM had some extensions that made it easy to call down to the underlying platform. This is basically the idea that became P/Invoke in .NET. Long story short, Microsoft doesn't ship a JVM because the company seems to have made a legal agreement not to.

Edited 2007-10-30 02:19 UTC

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RE[3]: Java
by puenktchen on Tue 30th Oct 2007 08:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Java"
puenktchen Member since:
2007-07-27

Apple wanted to develop their Java tools in-house. In fact, Apple has been providing their JRE since the days of Mac OS 8.0. That's why people complain to Apple about OS X's Java, because it's Apple's responsibility.

they didn't want to take that responsibility, they had to because the halfassed implementation of java 1.0 on mac os by sun sucked and sun wasn't inclined to invest the ressources required to change this.

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as usual...
by tryphcycle on Tue 30th Oct 2007 22:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Java"
tryphcycle Member since:
2006-02-16

the OS racism i alive an well!


hope you are all having fun attempting to belittle one another!

the truth is.... all your OSs suck!

and who is the tHom guy any way?

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