Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Oct 2007 20:27 UTC
Mac OS X "While the Apple hype machine and its fanatical followers would have you believe that Mac OS X 10.5 'Leopard' is a major upgrade to the company's venerable operating system, nothing could be further from the truth. Instead, Leopard is yet another evolutionary upgrade in a long line of evolutionary OS X upgrades, all of which date back to the original OS X release in 2001. But let me get one huge misunderstanding out of the way immediately: That's not a dig at Leopard at all. Indeed, if anything, Apple is in an enviable position: OS X is so solid, so secure, and so functionally excellent that it must be getting difficult figuring out how to massage another USD 129 out even the most ardent fans. Folks, Leopard is good stuff. But then that's been true of Mac OS X for quite a while now." Additionally, Apple acknowledges installation problems caused by Unsanity's APE, while others are complaining about problems with Java, or visual oddities. Additionally, there are hacks that restore the black dock triangles, opacify the menubar, and to enable Time Machine on Airport disks. Update: It appears the Leopard firewall has a dent in its armour.
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RE[3]: Java
by sanctus on Tue 30th Oct 2007 00:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Java"
sanctus
Member since:
2005-08-31

But on the other end, microsoft does not preinstall java the make .net a better alternative. It is no secret that Microsoft tried more than once to harm java.

If Apple stop making java and ask Sun to do so (with their help). Apple could then remove Java from OS X without being hung?

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RE[4]: Java
by PlatformAgnostic on Tue 30th Oct 2007 02:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Java"
PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

I think you have something a little off here. Microsoft did have an in-house java (the MS JVM), that was considered faster than the Sun JVM (I was not very perceptive of these things at the time, so I don't know how good or bad it actually was). Due to a legal settlement with Sun, Microsoft was forced to remove its own JVM and cease distributing it widely (I think it was still available to enterprises that had systems deployed with it).

As far as I can tell, Sun's concern was that the MS JVM had some extensions that made it easy to call down to the underlying platform. This is basically the idea that became P/Invoke in .NET. Long story short, Microsoft doesn't ship a JVM because the company seems to have made a legal agreement not to.

Edited 2007-10-30 02:19 UTC

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RE[5]: Java
by kaiwai on Tue 30th Oct 2007 02:31 in reply to "RE[4]: Java"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

As far as I can tell, Sun's concern was that the MS JVM had some extensions that made it easy to call down to the underlying platform. This is basically the idea that became P/Invoke in .NET. Long story short, Microsoft doesn't ship a JVM because the company seems to have made a legal agreement not to.


Incorrect. Microsoft said that they either 'use their own' or not ship one at all. Sun wanted to work with Microsoft and get the Sun JVM included with Windows - Microsoft refused to play ball.

In the end, it doesn't matter, Sun has a relationship with all the major OEM's, and Java is shipped by the OEM vendor rather than Microsoft.

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RE[5]: Java
by sanctus on Tue 30th Oct 2007 03:43 in reply to "RE[4]: Java"
sanctus Member since:
2005-08-31

The only purpose of the ms java was to use the popularity of java to attract developper in a pseudo multi-platform. Then make portable code microsoft OS centric.

But what amaze me with the java problem, is the developper on his blog is ready to burn out Apple because they are now so bad. But in fact, if you take any OS out there except solaris, there is not a single one that does any better, not even the same.

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