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Is Unix unfriendly?
by tails92 on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 11:52 UTC
tails92
Member since:
2007-10-07

It is mostly an opinion, but when compared to VMS it's a lot friendlier, trust me.
Once when I connected to a VMS machine in the HP Testdrive program, I couldn't even execute a 'dir'-like command.
It somewhat requires you to script even to list a directory.
What an absurdity, a shell is made for ease of use and to access resource not for scripting. I'd rather use a separate program for scripting if I really wanted it.
And to think that I was able to use HP-UX and Tru64 almost without an itch, by only using my previous experience with Linux, *BSD, a bit of Solaris and yes even a bit of that evilness called 'SCO' OpenServer.
And even if you don't know the *nix basic commandline and you only know DOS one if you get a list of commands it's quite easy to figure out.
To use the VMS shell, maybe you need to learn a whole new scripting language and that's way unfriendly.

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RE: Is Unix unfriendly?
by madcrow on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 13:20 in reply to "Is Unix unfriendly?"
madcrow Member since:
2006-03-13

You don't need to write DCL scripts to do stuff in VMS any more than you need to write shell scripts to use *nix. I ran VMS inside a VAX emulator and while the command line lacked some features (most notably any sort of auto-completion features) it was pretty good. BTW, if you couldn't get a simple file list, you obviously don't remember DOS... "dir" does just what you would expect.

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RE: Is Unix unfriendly?
by javiercero1 on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 15:25 in reply to "Is Unix unfriendly?"
javiercero1 Member since:
2005-11-10

Well it all depends on your background. You can get a person who cut his or her teeth on VMS and drop them into an unix shell, and they will experience the same bewilderment. A la "what is this ls crap?" or "This file system structure makes no sense."

Familiarity should not be mistaken with user friendliness.

That being said. It was a running joke among VMS bigots about how user unfriendly unix was when compared to their precious DCL. More astroturfing than anything, IMHO. Both systems require a fairly steep learning curve. And with products like GNV, that create an unix-like environment, the VMS fellas seem to have relaxed a little bit their holier than thou attitude.

I have always found *nixen far more developer friendly. Up to recently |D|I|G|I|T|A|L| pretty much demanded your first born child in order to obtain a half assed C development environment. And to this day, developing/hacking on VMS can be in some ways an exercise in reviving the late 80s :-).

However, once you get a system fine tuned and doing what you need it to do, it just keeps on going. VMS is not a sexy system, it stays out of the way in the background. Which I guess it is a good thing...

PS. I can't believe no one has brought the whole meme of how Windows NT is the evil step child of VMS ;-)

Edited 2007-11-02 15:32

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RE[2]: Is Unix unfriendly?
by poundsmack on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 20:58 in reply to "RE: Is Unix unfriendly?"
poundsmack Member since:
2005-07-13

unix is user friendly, it's just really picky about who it wants to be friends with ;)

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