Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 16:12 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Fedora Core Fedora 8 Release Candidate 3 has been released. "Fedora 8 Release Candidate 3 has been released on the torrent site. Both DVD and Live images have been provided. Unless something goes terribly wrong, these will be the same bits (modulo gpg signed SHA1SUM files) that will go to the mirrors for the final Fedora 8 release." Update: There is an interview up about CodecBuddy's inclusion in Fedora 8 with the two developers behind this feature.
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RE[4]: Good
by butters on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 22:03 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Good"
butters
Member since:
2005-07-08

Well, no. Your laptop vendor slowly kills your hard disk out of the box, and Ubuntu doesn't do anything to stop it. This could very well be a problem on other distributions as well. Windows basically ignores the firmware and sets its own defaults, so the hardware vendors haven't had any incentive to make their defaults reasonable. It's possible that some Linux distros handle this issue better than Ubuntu, but it's not an Ubuntu-specific issue. Any distro that trusts the hardware power management defaults will have the same problem.

I expect Ubuntu and other distros to ship workarounds for this problem, but they should also start bitching and moaning at the OEMs, like their new pal, Dell. It really is their fault, although for practical reasons it's easier for the OS distributors to address the problem for laptops that are already out in the field.

There are a bunch of workarounds. I used this one:

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695/comment...

Computers suck. FOSS can make dealing with them a lot more pleasant, but the community cannot ignore whatever they can't fix properly. All developers, especially systems programmers, at some point reach a catharsis about the futility of perfectionism and cease to be surprised or outraged by the inherent suck that surrounds their work. I recommend a good scotch.

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RE[5]: Good
by berzerko on Sat 3rd Nov 2007 02:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Good"
berzerko Member since:
2005-11-11

hey butters, is there a way to check if this bug if affecting my particular laptop?

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RE[6]: Good
by butters on Sat 3rd Nov 2007 05:31 in reply to "RE[5]: Good"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

Install smartmontools if it's not already installed. Then:

# sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count

The number of interest is the last one on the output line. Then repeat this command a minute or so later. Note any increase in this number. Repeat this a couple more times to make sure the number keeps increasing. If it does, then you have a problem.

You can also hear these load cycles. They sound like "clee-click".

Supposedly these hard disks have an average of 600,000 load cycles before failure. But the one in this older laptop is over 1,200,000 and I haven't had any problems... yet. As always, never trust a hard disk, and backup regularly.

A few years ago I experienced a particularly rough string of bad luck where I had three laptop hard disks fail in as many months. Since then I operate under the conservative assumption that a hard disk lasts about as long as a tub of ice cream. I like ice cream.

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