Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 8th Nov 2007 17:33 UTC, submitted by WillM
In the News One year after sealing their surprise alliance, Novell and Microsoft have announced an expansion of their technical collaboration to 'link together the existing Windows and Linux frameworks'. The firms will extend their existing collaboration to focus on virtualisation, standards-based management, directory and identity federation and document format compatibility. As part of this process, Microsoft said that both companies are 'now working closely' at the Microsoft and Novell Interoperability Lab in Massachusetts.
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RE[3]: Good for Novell
by Soulbender on Fri 9th Nov 2007 06:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Good for Novell"
Soulbender
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2005-08-18

There's nothing wrong with using a mix of open and proprietary software in my opinion, I do myself, but then I don't sit in an ivory tower making proclomations about the compromises OSS companies make when I'm not willing to make compromises myself.


I increasingly get the feeling that those who do sit in the ivory tower are people who either dont work at all and freeload off their parents while living in the basement or dont work in a company or position where they need to make any I.T decisions (ie, they're flipping burgers at McDonads).

For you guys and gals in the ivory towers here's something you can try. Next time/if you get hired as an IT manager make it your first agenda to transfers all systems and software to Linux, regardless of operational cost or lost business, and see how well that goes down with the boss. You'll be back at McDonalds faster than you can say "dualboot".

Many people dont seem to understand that for the majority of companies I.T is in itself not the core business. The core business is selling flowers or burgers or insurances or whatnot. I.T is there to *support* the core business making money. The core business is not to change to Linux. Hey, sure, if you can find a solid business reason to change then go ahead but otherwise you are just costing the company money.

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RE[4]: Good for Novell
by marcgo on Fri 9th Nov 2007 11:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Good for Novell"
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2007-11-09

You are either a demagog or you have limited understanding capabilities. I agree with you that the core business is selling, but that has nothing to do with this discussion. Besides, your argument can easily be rebated by changing transfer to Linux with transfer to Vista.

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RE[5]: Good for Novell
by Soulbender on Fri 9th Nov 2007 12:00 in reply to "RE[4]: Good for Novell"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

You are either a demagog or you have limited understanding capabilities.


Gee thanks, I feel special now.

but that has nothing to do with this discussion


People who fail to understand what the core business is are frequently the same people who flat out refuse to use anything but OSS (or non-OSS) software. They think their little corner of the company and their agenda is the single most important thing while it usually isn't.

Besides, your argument can easily be rebated by changing transfer to Linux with transfer to Vista.


Of course. Thinking non-OSS is the only way is equally stupid and unprofessional.

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RE[4]: Good for Novell
by segedunum on Fri 9th Nov 2007 13:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Good for Novell"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

For you guys and gals in the ivory towers here's something you can try. Next time/if you get hired as an IT manager make it your first agenda to transfers all systems and software to Linux, regardless of operational cost or lost business, and see how well that goes down with the boss. You'll be back at McDonalds faster than you can say "dualboot".

Yes, because what's happened there usually is that the 'boss' has been taken to dinner and on free trips by various software companies, and has then come out with some kind of edict that the company will use said software companies' software without the faintest idea of what is or isn't technically possible. The poor technical saps have to then try and implement it, but they usually let the disaster unfold, whereby more software is bought.

The best people don't work for companies like that, and if they do, they aren't there for very long. IT managers are there to make things work and make decisions, and if that means using Linux then fine. The way to get people using Linux is not via big deals in corporate boardrooms as some people think, but at a low level where people simply pick up open source software because it does what they need. Before you know it, the 'boss' and the people in the boardrooms have no choice but to use open source software because everyone else is. That's the way they work.

Hey, sure, if you can find a solid business reason to change then go ahead but otherwise you are just costing the company money.

I'm sure you can always find a justifiable cost reason. I always can. Doing nothing is constantly costing you money.

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