Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 14th Nov 2007 19:49 UTC
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris Erstwhile bitter rivals Dell and Sun Microsystems are set to announce that Sun's Solaris and OpenSolaris operating systems will be supported in all of Dell's servers. Dell founder and CEO Michael Dell and Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz plan to make the announcement during a joint appearance at the Oracle OpenWorld 2007 conference today.
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Strange move
by Nephelim on Wed 14th Nov 2007 20:26 UTC
Nephelim
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2006-07-26

I'd go for a Sun hardware and have Solaris instead nowadays. I don't know how much impact this can have both in the software side (Windows licenses getting out) and in the hardware one (Dell purchased to run OpenSolaris instead of Sun to run Solaris).

Is Sun planning to abandon the hardware battlefield ? If it was the case, this could be a great thing: Dell offering a Solaris (well, OpenSolaris currently) server and a Linux desktop :-) This will of course mean also the end of Solaris in favor of OpenSolaris ... as well as the end of Windows in favor of Linux ??? This last is just a wish, but who knows.

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RE: Strange move
by zizban on Wed 14th Nov 2007 20:38 in reply to "Strange move"
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2005-07-06

No, Sun has been expanding their OEM program for the last couple of years. The sparc hardware isn't going anywhere, this is just another option for those considering Solaris.

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RE[2]: Strange move
by shaniadollinger on Wed 14th Nov 2007 20:55 in reply to "RE: Strange move"
shaniadollinger Member since:
2007-07-04

You mean considering OpenSolaris, don' you ? They are not the same right now to my knowledge.

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RE[2]: Strange move
by Adurbe on Wed 14th Nov 2007 21:26 in reply to "RE: Strange move"
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

what do you mean sparc i going nowhere?! Have you used a T1? They are incredibly powerful! Or do you mean sparc is going nowhere in the direction you happen to use it (desktop x86 based systems?)

I hope sparc and the power chips keep getting developed. In my eyes there is no point fighting out of a software lockin to just to enter a hardware one...

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RE: Strange move
by butters on Wed 14th Nov 2007 21:38 in reply to "Strange move"
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2005-07-08

The article says that Dell will be offering both Solaris and OpenSolaris. Now the Big Four (IBM, HP, Sun and Dell) all offer at least Windows, Solaris, RHEL, and SLES on their x86 servers. This move doesn't seem nearly as strange when you consider that Dell, the only member of the Big Four with no in-house UNIX flagship, was previously the odd man out in terms of Solaris support.

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RE: Strange move
by SEJeff on Thu 15th Nov 2007 06:04 in reply to "Strange move"
SEJeff Member since:
2005-11-05

Nephelim... have you *ever* managed sun servers versus the competition like IBM eseries, HP DL3xx, or Dell servers?

Sun's ILOMs (Integrated Lights Out Management) beats anything on the market hands down. Is the server dead? So what, ssh into the ILOM, restart the server and then connect to the Serial console... done.

Sun servers are more efficient, better designed, and easier to manage than equivalent Dell servers. How do I know? Because we manage thousands of them and have replaced all IBM servers in production with Sun x4xx series. Nothing compares to Sun servers for remote management.

If anyone disagrees, please explain.

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RE[2]: Strange move
by Nephelim on Thu 15th Nov 2007 08:19 in reply to "RE: Strange move"
Nephelim Member since:
2006-07-26

SEJeff, my comments talked about a distant future (at least, medium term one), not any short term issue. I've managed some Sun servers, though I suppose than not as many as you do. And yes, I like them a lot, and yes, I agree with you in their quality and integration. May be that my poor English skills make it more difficult for me to express the things I really want to state ... sorry about that, I suppose it'll improve with the time.

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RE[2]: Strange move
by akro on Thu 15th Nov 2007 15:35 in reply to "RE: Strange move"
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2005-07-06

Yeah ILO on the HP Proliant beats that. Not only can I do SSH but I can web into the box ad bring up a full Graphical Console. I can remote mount media from my workstation across the country and boot the dead powered off box with that media with no touch what so ever. The latest inegrity boxes also have ILO functionality. This is all integrated into the motherboards now. I know many customer that have zero touch data centers. Even new installs get done by HP they plug the ILO in and the customer remote build everything from there.

Blades become even easier because I can configure a ton of stuff for all the blades in the enclosure so adding blades is literaly just plug and play.

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RE: Strange move
by simo on Thu 15th Nov 2007 14:10 in reply to "Strange move"
simo Member since:
2006-01-09

pretty much how i see it - the main reason i have for using solaris is the sun hardware, not really the os.

i really can't see the point of solaris on x86, linux is better at that.

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RE: Strange move
by somebody on Thu 15th Nov 2007 15:45 in reply to "Strange move"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

I'd go for a Sun hardware and have Solaris instead nowadays

Yep, now look from this point of view. Nearest Sun service I could have is in next country. Could you imagine mission critical server like that?

The only way Sun could expand here is if people adopt Solaris to the measure where Sun hardware providers would start popping in our country. But as long as demand doesn't exists both Sun products (OS and hardware) are not worth bother.

What do you need for server? Certified hardware and hardware support. Sun obviously lacks later here. Which they can expand with Dell.

Dell? We've got 3 god resellers with good (as far as Dell service goes) service. This could probably be the first sane choice to be worth to apply Solaris to mission critical services here.

Now play a little predicting (or guessing) game. Solaris sells with Dell fine. People start becoming interested about real Sun iron. There now is demand. Time to pop some Sun resellers here....

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