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No, Sun has been expanding their OEM program for the last couple of years. The sparc hardware isn't going anywhere, this is just another option for those considering Solaris.

You mean considering OpenSolaris, don' you ? They are not the same right now to my knowledge.

what do you mean sparc i going nowhere?! Have you used a T1? They are incredibly powerful! Or do you mean sparc is going nowhere in the direction you happen to use it (desktop x86 based systems?)

I hope sparc and the power chips keep getting developed. In my eyes there is no point fighting out of a software lockin to just to enter a hardware one...

The article says that Dell will be offering both Solaris and OpenSolaris. Now the Big Four (IBM, HP, Sun and Dell) all offer at least Windows, Solaris, RHEL, and SLES on their x86 servers. This move doesn't seem nearly as strange when you consider that Dell, the only member of the Big Four with no in-house UNIX flagship, was previously the odd man out in terms of Solaris support.

Nephelim... have you *ever* managed sun servers versus the competition like IBM eseries, HP DL3xx, or Dell servers?

Sun's ILOMs (Integrated Lights Out Management) beats anything on the market hands down. Is the server dead? So what, ssh into the ILOM, restart the server and then connect to the Serial console... done.

Sun servers are more efficient, better designed, and easier to manage than equivalent Dell servers. How do I know? Because we manage thousands of them and have replaced all IBM servers in production with Sun x4xx series. Nothing compares to Sun servers for remote management.

If anyone disagrees, please explain.

SEJeff, my comments talked about a distant future (at least, medium term one), not any short term issue. I've managed some Sun servers, though I suppose than not as many as you do. And yes, I like them a lot, and yes, I agree with you in their quality and integration. May be that my poor English skills make it more difficult for me to express the things I really want to state ... sorry about that, I suppose it'll improve with the time.

Yeah ILO on the HP Proliant beats that. Not only can I do SSH but I can web into the box ad bring up a full Graphical Console. I can remote mount media from my workstation across the country and boot the dead powered off box with that media with no touch what so ever. The latest inegrity boxes also have ILO functionality. This is all integrated into the motherboards now. I know many customer that have zero touch data centers. Even new installs get done by HP they plug the ILO in and the customer remote build everything from there.

Blades become even easier because I can configure a ton of stuff for all the blades in the enclosure so adding blades is literaly just plug and play.

pretty much how i see it - the main reason i have for using solaris is the sun hardware, not really the os.

i really can't see the point of solaris on x86, linux is better at that.

I'd go for a Sun hardware and have Solaris instead nowadays

Yep, now look from this point of view. Nearest Sun service I could have is in next country. Could you imagine mission critical server like that?

The only way Sun could expand here is if people adopt Solaris to the measure where Sun hardware providers would start popping in our country. But as long as demand doesn't exists both Sun products (OS and hardware) are not worth bother.

What do you need for server? Certified hardware and hardware support. Sun obviously lacks later here. Which they can expand with Dell.

Dell? We've got 3 god resellers with good (as far as Dell service goes) service. This could probably be the first sane choice to be worth to apply Solaris to mission critical services here.

Now play a little predicting (or guessing) game. Solaris sells with Dell fine. People start becoming interested about real Sun iron. There now is demand. Time to pop some Sun resellers here....