Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 14th Nov 2007 19:49 UTC
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris Erstwhile bitter rivals Dell and Sun Microsystems are set to announce that Sun's Solaris and OpenSolaris operating systems will be supported in all of Dell's servers. Dell founder and CEO Michael Dell and Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz plan to make the announcement during a joint appearance at the Oracle OpenWorld 2007 conference today.
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RE[2]: Strange move
by Adurbe on Wed 14th Nov 2007 21:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Strange move"
Adurbe
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2005-07-06

what do you mean sparc i going nowhere?! Have you used a T1? They are incredibly powerful! Or do you mean sparc is going nowhere in the direction you happen to use it (desktop x86 based systems?)

I hope sparc and the power chips keep getting developed. In my eyes there is no point fighting out of a software lockin to just to enter a hardware one...

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RE[3]: Strange move
by Don T. Bothers on Wed 14th Nov 2007 21:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Strange move"
Don T. Bothers Member since:
2006-03-15

"what do you mean sparc i going nowhere?! Have you used a T1? They are incredibly powerful! Or do you mean sparc is going nowhere in the direction you happen to use it (desktop x86 based systems?) "

I think he means that SPARC is not being phased out, that it is going to still be around, and that you can still purchase it from Sun.

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RE[4]: Strange move
by quad3d@work on Wed 14th Nov 2007 22:04 in reply to "RE[3]: Strange move"
quad3d@work Member since:
2007-11-14

isn't going anywhere he means that they are here to stay.

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RE[4]: Strange move
by Downix on Wed 14th Nov 2007 23:46 in reply to "RE[3]: Strange move"
Downix Member since:
2007-08-21

"I think he means that SPARC is not being phased out, that it is going to still be around, and that you can still purchase it from Sun."
Why just sun? I prefer the Fuji SPARC64 personally, but that T1, a beast!

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RE[3]: Strange move
by aliquis on Wed 14th Nov 2007 21:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Strange move"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

With going nowhere he means that they are here to stay.

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RE[4]: Strange move
by Adurbe on Wed 14th Nov 2007 22:00 in reply to "RE[3]: Strange move"
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

With going nowhere he means that they are here to stay.


gotcha, if that is indeed what he meant I apologise for any confusion :-)

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RE[3]: Strange move
by butters on Wed 14th Nov 2007 22:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Strange move"
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2005-07-08

Sun faces some serious challenges on the SPARC side of its business, especially in terms of performance per thread. I don't think it's feasible in the long-run for Sun to compete with AMD and Intel for serialized workloads. Sun's greatest hardware strength from its up-market pedigree is in system architecture, whereas it never moved the volume required to excel in the modern processor market.

I agree that Sun looks very strong at the moment in thread-dense boxes for transaction computing. However, both Intel and AMD have mini-cores coming in 2009-10 that will scale down to ultra-mobile and tile up to massively-multithreaded rack servers that will compete with Sun's Niagara/Rock descendants. On the other hand, I could definitely see Sun as the leading OEM for these Intel/AMD-based thread monsters.

In my eyes there is no point fighting out of a software lockin to just to enter a hardware one...


I don't understand. There are very few operating systems and applications that don't run on x86, and plenty of them run on SPARC and POWER as well. There's no lock-in. The proprietary software vendors that ignore SPARC and POWER do so because the niche markets aren't worth their time and resources, not because of any especially onerous barriers to cross-architecture compatibility.

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RE[4]: Strange move
by kaiwai on Thu 15th Nov 2007 01:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Strange move"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Regarding SPARC and POWER; it depends on what you mean by success or failure? people could look at PPC and claim, because Bob isn't running it on his desktop or that it doesn't dominate small to medium business server sales.

Niagara/Rock have an advantage over x86; SPARC64 IV for example is very competitive with the high end x86 chips put out by Intel and AMD; if you were talking about UltraSPARC, you would have a good case, but the SPARC64 is a fpu/int monster who has no problem holding its own - its just too bad it took this long for Sun to finally move to a superior SPARC implementation given that in the limit benchmarks of SPARC64 such as TPC, it comes out close to the top - especially unclustered.

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