Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 14th Nov 2007 19:49 UTC
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris Erstwhile bitter rivals Dell and Sun Microsystems are set to announce that Sun's Solaris and OpenSolaris operating systems will be supported in all of Dell's servers. Dell founder and CEO Michael Dell and Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz plan to make the announcement during a joint appearance at the Oracle OpenWorld 2007 conference today.
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melkor
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2006-12-16

Good counter-arguments as usual :-)

The problem is, facts are hard to find. Statistics can be easily manipulated, as we both know. I'm only going on my own personal experiences with Linux, and with people that I know etc. I don't know anyone who has moved to Linux in the past 3 years. I do know a few that have been using Linux for 5+ years, but they are what I'd consider social outcasts, using Linux to voice their social displeasure with the world at large. I know of many people who have switched to Macs and OS X.

The gist of my argument was that if Linux can't make it in a server environment, then it's screwed on the desktop imho. Windows Server 2003 has done serious damage to the Linux market, and for good reason - it's reasonably priced, performs well, is reliable and pretty secure. The free cost of Linux is killed by the cost of having a support agreement with one of the big vendors, and Sun beats Linux from this point of view when compared to the 2 big players in the market. I'm sorry, but very few corporations will run Debian on a server - I'm not knocking Debian, it's a superb server operating system, but management WANT support, paid support. Having employers who are experts in the area is not the same as paid support from my experience.

1. Can you list me well know software products that have ported to Linux? A few games, that's about it. Please don't count software that originated from the Linux environment, like Mozilla FireFox and Thunderbird, or OpenOffice. Let's talk Windows based applications that have been ported across.

2. Wine isn't bad, don't get me wrong, but it's still very dodgy in use. Let's take into account a major software application - Adobe Photoshop CS2. Up until the very most recent point release of WINE, it didn't work. Capture one Pro doesn't work. Neither does a host of Canon based software for their digital SLRs. You might argue that that is only a small percentage of the userbase, and that'd be a reasonable argument, but let's consider that digital photography has really taken off in the past five years. Sure, open source has native applications, but in all honesty, they are pale compared to the native versions for Windows. Very pale.

3. Driver support - a difficult area, some areas, Linux is pretty good, like with printers as you pointed out. But, for a lot of stuff, Linux drivers are still MIA. Let's take my Logitech Wingman II steering wheel - 7 years old now, no Linux support.

4. OpenOffice has gotten a bit faster, but it's still a massive disappointment. Sure, it's good with writer, but that's about it. Excel support is still what I'd consider dodgy, Powerpoint support is ajoke, and Access, nada. There's more to an Office suite than just a word processor.

Just my honest viewpoints.

Dave

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

The gist of my argument was that if Linux can't make it in a server environment...

What makes you believe this?

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melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

Because it seems that sales of Linux from a server aspect are on the decline, and by a fair amount. IIs is catching Apache at a very fast rate. Windows server based operating systems are starting to get much better uptimes. Server 2003 has been very stable, reliable and secure for Microsoft. For the vast array of IT shops out there in the corporate environment, most of them have switched from Windows 2000 server to Win2k3 server and have been delighted with it. 3 out of the 4 employers that I've worked for in the past 7 years have all been Windows shops, with NO thought of moving to Linux at all - period. They are:

Toshiba
Esselte
Newell Rubbermaid

The 4th one was Apple Computers. If I take it a bit further back, the previous 2 employers to this were Swiss Air and Centrelink (a government welfare agency in Australia). Both are Windows based. There was some talk about Centrelink migrating to Linux, but that was delivered a pretty hefty death knell.

Telstra, our largest IT&T company in Australia, was going to switch to Linux, although it was ONLY a ploy to get cheaper prices from Microsoft. They never had any REAL intention of switching. Many, many, many companies are doing this - using Linux solely as a bargaining chip to get cheaper prices from Microsoft, and it's working. Microsoft's markups are high enough for them to drop their prices and offer good bargains to their long term customers. I don't see this happening any time soon.

As a server operating system, I personally feel that Linux is far more powerful, and in the hands of a competent Linux trained IT technician, very stable, reilable and secure. Linux trained guys are more common these days, but they're still a drop in the pond when compared to Windows trained guys. Until you see a serious change in the number of people being trained in each platform, I doubt you'll see a serious change in the number of server deployments.

Linux will probably become more common in the embedded market, where it's doing well, and probably in the high end super computer arena. It'll probably hold its own for the next 5-10 years in the server environment, with slight to medium declines if my suspicions and reading of the current market are correct. The desktop side of things will see little inroads, UNLESS 3rd party software is ported to the Linux platform, and not just any particular software, it has to be key applications. And even then, Microsoft's real monopoly is with MS Office, which nearly every single business uses. Excel and Access are really heavily tied to the Windows platform, and that makes it almost impossible to create Office suite equivalents on other platforms like Linux or BSD and have FULL compatibility. This is a killer area that goes against Linux imho - unless OpenOffice can do the custom macros that Excel can do, and do them accurately and well, people will not migrate. I know that this isn't really OpenOffice's fault, but your average user doesn't give 2 hoots about who's at fault - at the end of the day they want a working solution that suits their needs.

Dave

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