Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Nov 2007 21:22 UTC, submitted by irbis
Window Managers "Linux has proven amazingly flexible: after nearly 10 years of use, I'm still impressed by how the Linux operating system does exactly what I want on any type of hardware. Desktop customization is no exception; from the ultra-modern KDE and GNOME window managers to with the likes of Fluxbox and AfterStep, there's a Linux desktop to suit everyone."
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RE: wm for a server?
by lemur2 on Tue 20th Nov 2007 01:20 UTC in reply to "wm for a server?"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

What can Linux on the desktop do for me, that a properly-configured XP install won't?


Freedom from the "upgrade treadmill".

Protect you from viruses & malware.

Give you a one-stop, easily searchable, guaranteed no malware GUI application installer.

Choice and customisability of the desktop. (Themes, "windowblinds" etc by default).

Cross-platform compatibility & interoperability.

Choice of well-documented filesystems.

Pervasive use of open formats, not tied to any platform.

A browser compliant with W3C standards, including SVG, and which can pass the acid2 test.

"Future-proofing".

Choice of underlying computer architecture (not tied to x86 platforms alone).

Larger range of compatible hardware.

Hardware recognised immediately, no need to search for the right "driver CD".

Full range of desktop applications in addition to the bare OS.

A working 64-bit desktop with all drivers.

Virtualisation support built-in to the kernel.

Freedom to copy the exact same desktop software to as many machines as you would want, without additional costs.

Ability to run all applications as a normal user, no need to run desktop applications as root.

Attachments are not simply dumped by mail clients.

No subscriptions required (even to virus databases & the like).

An update service that will not "push" unwanted software on you.

Lack of spying on you ... no information sent back to big brother.

Lack of ongoing registration & activation requirements.

No killswitch (no genuine disadvantage), even if you replace a hard drive or a video card.

A 3D desktop with visual bling if you want it.

...

...

... apart from that, not much.

Edited 2007-11-20 01:40

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RE[2]: wm for a server?
by pixel8r on Tue 20th Nov 2007 02:09 in reply to "RE: wm for a server?"
pixel8r Member since:
2007-08-11

This is an awesome list!

I think I've been using linux for so many years that I take all of these things for granted. Some features haven't been around so long but I use windows so rarely that I wasn't aware windows didn't have these features...or maybe I just hadn't given it any thought.

In actual fact, my windows XP install is currently corrupted due to being hit with spyware that every anti-spyware tool has been unsuccessful at removing.
It needs a reinstall, and I just dont have the patience and time to even bother with it. Its the first time I've been hit with spyware and I've always used a good firewall and run anti-spyware every now and then. I didn't like to have anti-virus or anti-spyware tools running all the time since it drains resources and I use windows mainly for games. I'd agree with all the people that say Windows XP is stable, except that it can be killed by spyware...so use it at your own risk. My data is safer with Linux.

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RE[3]: wm for a server?
by lemur2 on Tue 20th Nov 2007 03:01 in reply to "RE[2]: wm for a server?"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

This is an awesome list!


Thankyou. IMO it bears just pointing out every now & then.

Here is an analysis that compares Windows vs Linux just from the EULA vs GPL point of view:

http://www.cyber.com.au/about/comparing_the_gpl_to_eula.pdf

I guess then that there is a great many more points I could add to this list, but unfortunately my time on this earth is finite.

Edited 2007-11-20 03:02

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RE[2]: wm for a server?
by autumnlover on Tue 20th Nov 2007 06:10 in reply to "RE: wm for a server?"
autumnlover Member since:
2007-04-12

Freedom from the "upgrade treadmill".


Can I understand it right ? I can install and use OpenOffice 2.x on Red Hat 7.0 installation, as I can on Windows 98 ?

Protect you from viruses & malware.


It's a myth.

Give you a one-stop, easily searchable, guaranteed no malware GUI application installer.


I am sure you never tried Ubuntu's Synaptics with offline DVDs as repositories ;-)

Cross-platform compatibility & interoperability.


But not between applications - compare win's clipboard and GNOME equivalent of it.

Hardware recognised immediately, no need to search for the right "driver CD".


So unlucky me. Using Ubuntu for one and half year, and still cannot make Realtek RT 2500 WiFi PCI Cards on two desktop to run on Ubuntu. Latest driver included in 7.10 repos failed to detect my card, saying "card not installed". IT IS installed, damn it! ;-)

A working 64-bit desktop with all drivers.


Drivers - maybe. But not all applications.

An update service that will not "push" unwanted software on you.


Unless you're unlucky one, equipped with Radeon 8250 and updated to brand new X-server version 7.3 ...

A browser compliant with W3C standards, including SVG, and which can pass the acid2 test.


There are no Opera for Windows ?

Lack of ongoing registration & activation requirements.


Registration IS required on Windows ? No!

Attachments are not simply dumped by mail clients.


I don't see how it is related to OS ?

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RE[3]: wm for a server?
by lemur2 on Tue 20th Nov 2007 07:53 in reply to "RE[2]: wm for a server?"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Can I understand it right ? I can install and use OpenOffice 2.x on Red Hat 7.0 installation, as I can on Windows 98 ?


Not quite right. You can install OpenOffice 2.3 right now on Fedora 8. The cost of upgrade from earlier versions? $0. Hence, you are not on a treadmill. You can in fact still be running RedHat 7.0 if that is what you want to do ... there is no imperative need to update. And if you want to update, you can do it at no cost and no disruption.

It's a myth.


How so? Do you perhaps mean that it is a myth that there are Linux viruses in the wild?

All of the malware & virsues out there are actually for for Windows, not for Linux or Mac.

I am sure you never tried Ubuntu's Synaptics with offline DVDs as repositories


Shouldn't be a problem. Or you could put your repositories on a local lan server, and serve all your desktops indirectly from there, so that they all didn't have to download all updates from the wider internet.

Drivers - maybe. But not all applications.


My current system is 64-bit Kubuntu. It has had every application I have wanted so far, including flash player for the browser, and java, and 64-bit multimedia codecs. Exactly what "missing applications" did you have in mind?

Unless you're unlucky one, equipped with Radeon 8250 and updated to brand new X-server version 7.3 ...


One swallow does not make a summer. Speak to these guys about hardware that doesn't have drivers for Vista:
http://vistaincompatible.com/forums/YaBB.pl?board=hardware

The state of ATI drivers is fluid right now, but rapidly improving.
There are no Opera for Windows ?


Not on the Windows install CD, there isn't. Not from Microsoft, even after install. Oh, and you cannot get rid of the insecure, non-standard browser that IS installed, either.

Registration IS required on Windows ? No!


Registration is required on Windows YES! And often re-registration also, if you change a hard drive or motherboard or something. Please remember the original question, which was: "What can Linux on the desktop do for me, that a properly-configured XP install won't?". Only on Windows would you be asked to re-register after a hardware change, and only on Windows is there a chance that you will have to pay again for a new license.

I don't see how it is related to OS ?


Outlook express comes with a Windows install.

Edited 2007-11-20 08:11

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RE[3]: wm for a server?
by wirespot on Wed 21st Nov 2007 01:32 in reply to "RE[2]: wm for a server?"
wirespot Member since:
2006-06-21

Can I understand it right ? I can install and use OpenOffice 2.x on Red Hat 7.0 installation, as I can on Windows 98 ?


Yes. You can also install it on Red Hat 5.2 or older, if you compile it from source. Can you do install it on Windows 3.1?

> Protect you from viruses & malware.
It's a myth.


Tell that to my desktop Linux box, sitting on the Internet without a firewall, and never getting ANY virus or malware in all the years I've been using it.

So unlucky me. Using Ubuntu for one and half year, and still cannot make Realtek RT 2500 WiFi PCI Cards on two desktop to run on Ubuntu. Latest driver included in 7.10 repos failed to detect my card, saying "card not installed". IT IS installed, damn it! ;-)


Tell it to Realtek. Reverse engineering will only take you so far. It's amazing what drivers you find in the Linux kernel, but the devs are not miracle workers. If Realtek doesn't want you to use their cards on Linux, that's between them and you, don't blame Linux for this.

> A working 64-bit desktop with all drivers.
Drivers - maybe. But not all applications.


Again, tell it to Adobe and the rest of the vendors who push binary blobs that only work on 32bit.

Unless you're unlucky one, equipped with Radeon 8250 and updated to brand new X-server version 7.3 ...


ATI's the one you want here.

Say, you should start a Christmas card list or something. I can see that the list of vendors you should have a talk with is growing.

> A browser compliant with W3C standards,
> including SVG, and which can pass the acid2 test.

There are no Opera for Windows ?


He was talking about Konqueror.

Registration IS required on Windows ? No!


It's not? Then why do I have to enter my unique serial number if I want Windows to be fully functional and access to updates? Can't that serial be traced back to me? And why do I have to give my personal data to the Microsoft reps when I change my motherboard or CPU and Microsoft invalidates my copy?

Edited 2007-11-21 01:37

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RE[3]: wm for a server?
by Soulbender on Wed 21st Nov 2007 02:12 in reply to "RE[2]: wm for a server?"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

compare win's clipboard and GNOME equivalent of it.


Hogwash. The clipboard works perfectly between different apps in X, be it Xlib, GTK or QT apps.

and still cannot make Realtek RT 2500 WiFi PCI


Ralink RT2500 based PCI cards work in Linux and has done so for quite some time. Maybe the problem isn't with Linux but with Realtek or the user.

But not all applications.


As long as the application works why dos it matter? It's not like all Windows apps are avilable in 64bit versions.

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