Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Nov 2007 21:16 UTC, submitted by Wyatt Lyon Preul
.NET (dotGNU too) Scott Guthrie has announced that Visual Studio 2008 and .NET 3.5 are now available for download and provides a tour of some of the new features. "Visual Studio 2008 and .NET 3.5 contain a ton of new functionality and improvements. Below are links to blog posts I've done myself as well as links to videos you can watch to learn more about it."
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RE: MSDNAA
by atehrani on Tue 20th Nov 2007 01:48 UTC in reply to "MSDNAA"
atehrani
Member since:
2006-10-20

I disagree; of all of the IDEs I've used (VS2005, Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ) Visual Studio is the worst. To me it feels like it's years old, every "new" feature people are excited about in VS2008, Java IDE's have had them for quite some time.

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RE[2]: MSDNAA
by ValiantSoul on Tue 20th Nov 2007 01:50 in reply to "RE: MSDNAA"
ValiantSoul Member since:
2005-07-20

True, however the thing that VS beats them all with is its speed. If an IDE is going to make me wait and crash a lot (ahem Eclipse), its going to make me less productive, and therefore make less money.

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RE[3]: MSDNAA
by siride on Tue 20th Nov 2007 03:12 in reply to "RE[2]: MSDNAA"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

Man, I am getting so sick of the bugs and weirndesses in Eclipse. It has a lot of cool features and promise, but it really has a knack for crapping out at bad times, getting into confused states and just generally being...weird. For example, I've had it convince itself that it couldn't find java.lang.Object. All I did was start it up. And somehow it got confused. I had to delete the project and create a new one (with existing source of course).

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RE[2]: MSDNAA
by Almafeta on Tue 20th Nov 2007 02:00 in reply to "RE: MSDNAA"
Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

I disagree; of all of the IDEs I've used (VS2005, Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ) Visual Studio is the worst. To me it feels like it's years old, every "new" feature people are excited about in VS2008, Java IDE's have had them for quite some time.


Yes, but then you have to deal with the fact that you're writing in Java.

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RE[3]: MSDNAA
by StaubSaugerNZ on Tue 20th Nov 2007 02:26 in reply to "RE[2]: MSDNAA"
StaubSaugerNZ Member since:
2007-07-13

> Yes, but then you have to deal with the fact that you're writing in Java.

I'm curious about what's so bad about Java? (since C# is much more similar to it than to many other languages and several of the core C# libraries obviously originate from the days when Microsoft had a Java.

Sure checked exceptions and such are a PITA, but it sure beats being hogtied to a single platform (sure it's got 90% desktops, but only ~50% servers, which is where the real consultancy money is). I hate .NET's Hungarian notation (the 'I' in front of every interface has a heritage back to FORTRAN dontyaknow) at least as much as you hate checked exceptions, but at least I can see why you might like .NET without feeling the need to imply it sux completely.

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RE[3]: MSDNAA
by andyleung on Tue 20th Nov 2007 02:27 in reply to "RE[2]: MSDNAA"
andyleung Member since:
2006-03-24

Yeah, I rather have the IDE crashing than the server crashing. My favorite .NET story is that my .NET teacher said how amazing .NET platform and stable it is, in a second the projector originally showing VS.NET 2003 turned into blue screen of death. After 5 attempts running Hello World app finally got it running but then in 5 seconds the app crashed the school development server...lovely VS.NET IDE/Server, you like this? God bless you.

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RE[2]: MSDNAA
by google_ninja on Tue 20th Nov 2007 03:53 in reply to "RE: MSDNAA"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Java IDE's blow when it comes to UI design, and are average when it comes to web design. VS 2k8 not only gives you a good CSS rule editor, but will show you implied and inherited rules at design time. To my knowledge, it is the only editor to do that.

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RE[3]: MSDNAA
by andrewg on Tue 20th Nov 2007 08:24 in reply to "RE[2]: MSDNAA"
andrewg Member since:
2005-07-06

Please have a look at the new Netbeans UI designer formerly called Matisse. Its better than anything I have seen including the VS 2005.

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