Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Nov 2007 16:56 UTC, submitted by vermaden
FreeBSD The third beta of FreeBSD 7.0 has been released. I cannot seem to find any information on changes between the second beta and this one. Additionally, the release schedule doesn't even list a third beta.
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RE[2]: Changes
by Oliver on Tue 20th Nov 2007 19:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Changes"
Oliver
Member since:
2006-07-15

Nice story, but did you actually read any of the mailing lists?

>The last minute import of a few things caused RELENG_7 to regress in alot of places.

This is absolute nonsense! Neither there were last minute imports nor is there regress in *a lot* of places.

Everybody can read it of course,

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-src/

> if showstoppers keep popping up out of nowhere like they have been, it won't be the case.

Huh? Maybe you should start your urband legends in kindergarten. There are of course *bugs* but hardly showstoppers. If you're a tester, you should maybe check your hardware first.

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RE[3]: Changes
by celt on Tue 20th Nov 2007 20:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Changes"
celt Member since:
2005-07-06

I for one, have been using beta's 1 ==> 3 with little or no problems whatsoever...

Smok'in fast and stable for me.

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RE[3]: Changes
by Helio on Tue 20th Nov 2007 21:40 in reply to "RE[2]: Changes"
Helio Member since:
2007-11-20

yes, and I have talked to a number of freebsd developers and core team members; it's normal for people to import things into HEAD just before a new -STABLE branch is made.. There's a rush of developers importing things from their perforce branches so it can make it into 7-STABLE and not be stuck in 8-STABLE (when it gets branched.)

The gcc 4 import set things back considerably, this is a fact. There were enough breakages to cause re@ to wait until another version was released that would fix the bigger bugs.

There are regressions in various drivers, particularly the NIC drivers (as they were removed from being under the GIANT lock), and some with regards to interrupt filtering. There is also strange panic and segfault conditions that arise at seemingly random times. As an example, a panic on sysctl, panics with acpi states. If you'd like, look at the pr database.

The biggest problems seem to be the ones that can't be reproduced after they happen. Since dumpdev is off by default there is no kernel dump so nothing to go on other then 'it paniced'.

They are being fixed, of course, when they come up, but 6.3 is still a possibility for being released before 7.0.

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RE[4]: Changes
by Doc Pain on Wed 21st Nov 2007 00:24 in reply to "RE[3]: Changes"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

So will FreeBSD-6 be faster in terms of -RELEASE date than FreeBSD-7? :-)

"They are being fixed, of course, when they come up, but 6.3 is still a possibility for being released before 7.0."

I want to setup a new FreeBSD system for my home use and I'm not sure if I should install 6.2 now (and update to 6.3 when it's released) or wait until 7.0, or wait until 6.3 to avoid the system update... hard decision. I'm not sure if 7.0-BETA3 is already a good point to start.

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RE[4]: Changes
by Oliver on Wed 21st Nov 2007 09:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Changes"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

>The gcc 4 import set things back considerably

Again nonsense, the gcc import did occure 'long' time ago.

>There were enough breakages to cause re@ to wait until another version was released that would fix the bigger bugs.

(November 16th, 2007)

Ports: 17746
Ports without maintainer : 4204 (23.7%)
Build errors (total): 1034 (5.8%)

So again nonsense, there are some ports of course which do not compile properly with GCC4, but it's hardly a problem.

>There are regressions in various drivers, particularly the NIC drivers

There are *some* regressions in *some* NIC drivers.

Btw. I'm reading the mailinglists and I'm using FreeBSD 7. Furthermore I do know some developers. It's of course beta, it's in development, but it's in fact a very mature development so far without any bigger showstoppers at all.

>There is also strange panic and segfault conditions that arise at seemingly random times. As an example, a panic on sysctl, panics with acpi states. If you'd like, look at the pr database.

There is nothing strange in faulty hardware imho. You will have those kind of PRs all the time on one or two machines, so what? Panic with acpi states? Try a different bios, oh wait ... it's the bios. There will be always a *minority* of people with some problems especially those with exotic hardware like laptops.

Real problems: e.g. some stability issues in ZFS, but then again ZFS isn't ready for prime time so it's no showstopper at all.

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