Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Nov 2007 16:54 UTC, submitted by lefty78312
Mozilla & Gecko clones The Mozilla Corporation today released Firefox 3 Beta 1, which is now available for download in a variety of languages. The beta includes updates to the default theme, the new places site management features, improved security architecture, and Gecko 1.9. Release notes with a more complete list of features, are also available.
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RE[3]: Native widgets?
by cyclops on Tue 20th Nov 2007 19:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Native widgets?"
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I modded you down for being off-topic. The memory thing is already out of date. If you look it has 200+ memory leaks fixed and have now moved to dealing with memory fragmentation. I know this...and can make a point on this, you clearly can't.

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RE[4]: Native widgets?
by mojojojo on Tue 20th Nov 2007 23:39 in reply to "RE[3]: Native widgets?"
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If the memory thing is out of date, reply to that effect. An outdated comment is not off-topic, it's out-of-date. You should reply indicating current information. If you can make a point, do so.

Then again, maybe the comment isn't out-of-date. Sounds like meianoite and others have seen reports of continued issues with memory usage. In fact, you imply that work in this area is ongoing, so you can't even maintain the assertion that the issue is out of date for 20 words.

200+ fixed memory leaks is a great thing, and the people who identifed, fixed, and verified these leak fixes should all be proud of their work. However, in the final analysis, a lot of people won't care if leaks have been fixed if the product still uses too much memory.

Think of it this way, would you care if 200+ safety problems had been fixed in the new model year car you bought if the tires still came off at speeds over 62mph/100kph? Is it a good thing that the 200+ safety problems had been fixed? Is the car maybe safe for folks that never have to go very fast? Yes and yes. Is it time to declare comments regarding the car's safety problems out-of-date? Maybe you would think so, but many others would disagree.

How about you try not being a jerk? If it helps, here's a post you might have made instead of silently modding kaiwai down:

RE[2]: Native widgets?
If you look, you'll see that there have been 200+ memory leaks fixed, so there should be some reduction in memory usage already. There are some bigger issues, mainly in memory fragmentation, which [we are | the team is] currently working on. It's hard to say now when this work will bear fruit, but you and other users concerned about Firefox's memory usage should know this is on [our | the team's] radar and that it is being worked on.

See, this way, instead of looking like a total anus, you get your point across. As an added bonus, you make [your | the Firefox] team look like what they are, which is a conscientious group of developers, testers, and others working hard to produce the best damn browser on the planet.

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RE[5]: Native widgets?
by raver31 on Wed 21st Nov 2007 05:58 in reply to "RE[4]: Native widgets?"
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very nicely worded, if only everyone around here would follow that line of thought.

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RE[4]: Native widgets?
by dylansmrjones on Wed 21st Nov 2007 07:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Native widgets?"
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wtf? kaiwai is right about Firefox having memory problems. It still has those issues. It has many memory problems solved, but there are still many left to solve.

Personally I prefer webkit-gtk (the 'official' port) a lot more and luckily it's been picking up speed recently.

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