Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Nov 2007 21:22 UTC, submitted by irbis
Window Managers "Linux has proven amazingly flexible: after nearly 10 years of use, I'm still impressed by how the Linux operating system does exactly what I want on any type of hardware. Desktop customization is no exception; from the ultra-modern KDE and GNOME window managers to with the likes of Fluxbox and AfterStep, there's a Linux desktop to suit everyone."
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RE[5]: wm for a server?
by lemur2 on Tue 20th Nov 2007 22:25 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: wm for a server?"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

Last time I tried - to use Flash I have to install 32bit browser in 64bit environment:


Gnash. Works natively in 64-bit.
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/

Other programs I have in mind: Adobe Acrobat, Avast Antivirus, ClamAV


Use evince or kpdf for a native 64-bit PDF viewer. The other two programs are not required on a Linux system (especially a 64-bit one) to search for Windows viruses. Having said that, ClamAV is available as a .deb for 64-bit architectures:
http://www.clamav.org/download/packages/packages-linux

Even when I create complete set of Ubuntu repos (4 DVDs and 1 CD) there still will be no Opera'a .deb on those. So situation is exactly the same as in Windows.


On Linux, unlike Windows, out-of-the-box I get a W3C standards compliant browser, including SVG, that can pass the acid2 test (exactly as per the original claim). That browser is called Konqueror, not Opera.

The situation is not at all the same as in Windows.

And for "usecure, non-standard browser" - there is no obligation to use it for browsing, even to leave it unblocked on firewall.


It is embedded into the OS. You can't remove it entirely, and you can't stop it from running under some circumstances, even when it is not selected as the default browser. It presents its security holes despite what you might do by trying to use an alternative.

You confused registration and activation. I can be anonymous user of properly licensed Windows, just like any non-commercial Linux distribution.


You are correct. Sorry about that. I should have typed: "Activation is required, YES!".

Edited 2007-11-20 22:35

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RE[]: wm for a server?
by 6c1452 on Wed 21st Nov 2007 01:02 in reply to "RE[5]: wm for a server?"
6c1452 Member since:
2007-08-29

Last time I tried - to use Flash I have to install 32bit browser in 64bit environment:

Ubuntu 7.10 uses non-free flash with 64-bit firefox with a wrapper; I believe the package name is flash-nonfree (and it works great, by the way). My only 64-bit complaint is that I have to use mplayer32 for the wmv9dmo codec.

Other programs I have in mind: Adobe Acrobat, Avast Antivirus, ClamAV

I thought Clam AV was for *nix. At least, that's what it says on their site. Well, whatever; I don't need it myself. And I don't know about Acrobat, but I was using a Linux version of Adobe Reader a few releases back. Linux has good PDF readers, and a number of PDF makers (which I haven't tried).

As for Linux viruses, I have never heard of anybody encountering one in the wild, ever. Tell me when the last time was that you did, and I'll admit that there is any possibility of getting one.

Edited 2007-11-21 01:03

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RE[6]: wm for a server?
by autumnlover on Wed 21st Nov 2007 03:56 in reply to "RE[5]: wm for a server?"
autumnlover Member since:
2007-04-12

Use evince (...) for a native 64-bit PDF viewer.


I found it unstable and producing garbage when scrolling some PDF-s. Adobe Acrobat displays such files just fine.

Gnash. Works natively in 64-bit.


Great. But it is not Flash.

It is embedded into the OS. You can't remove it entirely,


But still it can be blocked on firewall, and since its blocked I do not worry about IE being insecure.

"Activation is required, YES!"


If you got at least five XP boxes in your organisation, it isn't ;-)

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RE[7]: wm for a server?
by lemur2 on Wed 21st Nov 2007 04:18 in reply to "RE[6]: wm for a server?"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I found it unstable and producing garbage when scrolling some PDF-s. Adobe Acrobat displays such files just fine.


Shrug. I haven't had a case of evince or kpdf having any problem with any pdf file to date.

Great. But it is not Flash.


... but nevertheless it displays flash material. It can handle even youtube videos now.

in any event, Ubuntu at least has a "wrapper" mechanism for 32-bit browser plugins, if you find that you really must run a proprietary 32-bit binary blob plugin.

But still it can be blocked on firewall, and since its blocked I do not worry about IE being insecure.


Very foolish. You could get an ActiveX control downloaded by your non-IE browser or IM client or e-mail client or somesuch mecahnism, and having got past your firewally suddenly IE gets invoked, picks up the ActiveX control and your machine is compromised.

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;959081077;fp;4194304;f...

You would also need to unblock IE in order to get access to Windows Update.

Finally, blocking IE from the web seems to be a particularly topsy-turvy thing, since it begs the very question "well why do I have to have this useless thing in the OS in the first place"?

If you got at least five XP boxes in your organisation, it isn't ;-)


WGA can still get you, even if you have a thousand XP boxes in your organisation.

Edited 2007-11-21 04:24

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RE[6]: wm for a server?
by autumnlover on Wed 21st Nov 2007 13:29 in reply to "RE[5]: wm for a server?"
autumnlover Member since:
2007-04-12

On Linux, unlike Windows, out-of-the-box I get a W3C standards compliant browser, including SVG, that can pass the acid2 test (exactly as per the original claim). That browser is called Konqueror, not Opera. The situation is not at all the same as in Windows.


Ahhh... Konqueror - you mean that thing, which pass acid2 test, but also fail on other 99,5% of websites, and is forcefully inserted into KDE without any means of uninstallation, just like IE into Windows ?

;-))

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