Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Nov 2007 17:02 UTC, submitted by kejar31
KDE KDE 4.0 RC1 has been released. "The KDE Community is happy to announce the immediate availability of the first release candidate for KDE 4.0. This release candidate marks that the majority of the components of KDE 4.0 are now approaching release quality. While the final bits of Plasma, the brand new desktop shell and panel in KDE 4, are falling into place, the KDE community decided to publish a first release candidate for the KDE 4.0 Desktop. Release Candidate 1 is the first preview of KDE 4.0 which is suitable for general use and discovering the improvements that have taken place all over the KDE codebase. The KDE Development Platform, comprising the basis for developing KDE applications, is frozen and is now of release quality." You want see Plasma panel? You get see Plasma panel!
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RE[3]: Dislike menu...
by grat on Wed 21st Nov 2007 01:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Dislike menu..."
grat
Member since:
2006-02-02

Stop clicking. Start typing.

While I think people who think that Kickoff is "just like Vista's start menu!" are UI-challeneged, and probably shouldn't be allowed near KDE (Except that they think Gnome is just like OSX, so you really can't win), the two menu systems *do* have a couple things in common.

First off, if I want to launch an app and know the name of it, I (KDE) hit Alt-F1, and type the first few characters and hit enter. Or I hit it from the favorites, or the history.

Vista, I either type a few characters and hit enter, or I select it from the "pinned" apps, or I select it from the history section.

Kickoff however makes it much easier to access devices, since Vista gets a little confused by "Drive letter colon", and there's no direct selection of storage.

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RE[4]: Dislike menu...
by mezz on Wed 21st Nov 2007 03:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Dislike menu..."
mezz Member since:
2005-06-29

Stop clicking. Start typing.

Well, it shouldn't be problem for me. But it is a problem for most of our grandparents, parents and other that aren't into computer. There is no way for them to know the name of applications and they don't care about that. Old way works best for them.

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RE[5]: Dislike menu...
by leos on Wed 21st Nov 2007 15:37 in reply to "RE[4]: Dislike menu..."
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

There is no way for them to know the name of applications and they don't care about that.


Bull. If they had no idea what they were looking for, they wouldn't be able to find it in the menu. Of course they know what they want to open. They don't need to know the name of the program, just what it does. Starting to type "internet" (you'll only need to type the first letter or two) will bring up firefox and so on.

Ever tried to teach an elderly person how to use the mouse? It is way harder than teaching them the keyboard. Everyone can hunt and peck. The only reason we're all still using the mouse is because keyboard interfaces used to be very unintuitive.

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RE[4]: Dislike menu...
by RIchard James13 on Wed 21st Nov 2007 11:50 in reply to "RE[3]: Dislike menu..."
RIchard James13 Member since:
2007-10-26

Stop clicking. Start typing.

This is the dumbest move on most Linux systems there are thousands of programs just type [tab][tab] in a BASH shell.

Most of the kde programs start with the letter K. So we waste one keyclick already.

The old system was there because it worked and it worked fast. If I want a CLI I'll bring up a terminal window. But please don't screw around with the menus like that.

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RE[5]: Dislike menu...
by leos on Wed 21st Nov 2007 15:48 in reply to "RE[4]: Dislike menu..."
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

This is the dumbest move on most Linux systems there are thousands of programs just type [tab][tab] in a BASH shell.


So in other words you know absolutely nothing about how the incremental search works, and yet you feel you should complain about it. Awesome.
You're not searching the thousands of programs on your machine, you're searching the start menu items. The search is incremental, and often you don't need more than two keys or so. It searches descriptions, so you don't even need to know the name of applications, just what they do. The old system was there because it was copied from windows, not because anyone had done any work on proving it was fast.

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