Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 8th Sep 2005 16:53 UTC
Gnome The Gnome Project released version 2.12 yesterday. We had a quick look at it by using the latest Gnome Live CD (1.12-pre) and Foresight 0.9.0 (2.12 final) and here are our thoughts over 2.12 and Gnome's status in general.
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Menu editor...
by on Thu 8th Sep 2005 17:25 UTC

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I'm shocked that the new included menu editor does not allow the creation of new items. We waited 6 months for only a partial implimentation of a menu editor? This to me show one of the serious flaws in Open Source development. Developers typically only work on what they think is fun and intresting rather than boring little things such as the menu editor. Why is it so difficult anyway? SMEG works, why couldn't they just use that if no one wanted to take the time to do it themselves?

Simon

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v RE: Menu editor...
by on Thu 8th Sep 2005 17:27 in reply to "Menu editor..."
RE: Menu editor...
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 8th Sep 2005 17:33 in reply to "Menu editor..."
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2005-06-29

SMEG works, why couldn't they just use that if no one wanted to take the time to do it themselves?

As a GNOME user, I agree with you for the full 100%. Why they simply didn't implement SMEG, a menu editor that works fine, is extremely easy to use, is completely *beyond me*. I've been thinking about reasons *not* to integrate SMEG-- and I can't think of anything else but...

...an ego problem. Seriously.

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by on Thu 8th Sep 2005 17:37 in reply to "RE: Menu editor..."
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SMEG can be the default editor. My Ubuntu Breezy installation uses it, so when you right click and do 'edit menus' it uses SMEG instead of whatever that other one is. But I'm not sure if it's because it's Ubuntu or because I already had SMEG before I upgraded.

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RE[2]: Menu editor...
by Daniel Borgmann on Thu 8th Sep 2005 18:22 in reply to "RE: Menu editor..."
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2005-07-08

...an ego problem. Seriously.

Nonsense. It has been the plan from the beginning to only offer the required amount of functionality. Adding items is not required, because you should never need it if applications are not broken. Even then you can easily add launchers to your panel, put them in a drawer if you are short on space. The fact that they don't appear in the menu is mostly a cosmetic issue.

If you need to fix broken applications and if you really want to make them appear in your menu, then it's not difficult at all to install a different menu editor.

You may very well disagree with this thinking and you may be right as much as you may be wrong, but talking about "ego problems" is really cheap and inappropriate. Seriously.

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by ma_d on Thu 8th Sep 2005 20:57 in reply to "RE: Menu editor..."
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2005-06-29

Because Gnome is a platform not a distribution. Complain to your distributor.

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by on Fri 9th Sep 2005 07:46 in reply to "Menu editor..."
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This to me show one of the serious flaws in Open Source development. Developers typically only work on what they think is fun and intresting rather than boring little things such as the menu editor.

If you need it so bad, why you don't do it yourself instead of bashing like a baby. The code is open, take your favorite editor and start coding. Go and submit patch.

IMO, the serious flaw in OSS development is people like you.

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RE: Menu editor...
by on Fri 9th Sep 2005 07:49 in reply to "Menu editor..."
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6 months? Try 3 years, as that is approximately how long the 2.0 series of GNOME has been about. A decent solution should have existed in 2.0, not a half-assed on 5 (!) releases down the track. Yes, I know it's free software, so we're not allowed to whine, but where's the accountability?

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by on Fri 9th Sep 2005 12:43 in reply to "RE: Menu editor..."
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Hey, should have existed? Why? Where is it written? Oh, I forgot all of you trolls paid for that. Don't you?

One of the advantages of the free software in general is the oportunity to change what you dislike, and adapt it to your needs. Most of the times you are receiving a high quality software for free. You don't pay. So, you can't just come and tell 'it should, it should'.

Your complains should be better placed in a gnome mailing list, with your comments _and_ arguments. That's what free software is all about. If you code, you can dot it. If you don't push for the things you want to see.

But I don't see any point in reply to a Gnome announcment that way. What I see as good, are comments based on arguments, and when I say arguments I don't mean 'personal reasons'.

I wonder if you trolls are as good as you say. So, why don't colaborate? It's much easier to just come and tell bad things, than help.

My god, I forgot you paid. And that you have MUCH better coding skill than gnome hackers. The problem is: you have only coded hello worlds.

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