Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 8th Sep 2005 16:53 UTC
Gnome The Gnome Project released version 2.12 yesterday. We had a quick look at it by using the latest Gnome Live CD (1.12-pre) and Foresight 0.9.0 (2.12 final) and here are our thoughts over 2.12 and Gnome's status in general.
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RE: gnome
by on Thu 8th Sep 2005 21:10 UTC

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but as an example, let me mention the Windows right-click drag'n drop. It's something that won't limit any new user to do anything. it's something that it's there, to be used as long you know it... and know what? It's a LOT intuitive after you tried it (like learning to ride a bicicle!) and a real timesaver... non obstrutive pop-ups... it's safe (if the user don't know exactly what the action will do, the right click drag'n drop show him/her the options before doing anything... or nothing at all!).

Actually, Windows' right-drag does get in the way. Because of the right-drag thing, Windows can't immediately display a right-click context menu on button press. It has to wait for the button release.

Also, you get the same functionality with middle-drag or Alt+drag in Nautilus.

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RE[2]: gnome
by JrezIN on Thu 8th Sep 2005 21:42 in reply to "RE: gnome"
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2005-06-29

Because of the right-drag thing, Windows can't immediately display a right-click context menu on button press. It has to wait for the button release.

That's how it should be! You have to give a way to the user change it's mind before doing anything.
Also, middle mouse doesn't look like a good solution with users emulating middle click...
...and we should not forget too that middle click usually does some other default action in most of applications (looks firefox and page scrooling and tab closure with middle click...), or are used for fast document scrolling (also, firefox for example)
...also, (almost forgot!) the middle click in MANY mouses today is the scroll wheel pressed... so, how can I not release the wheel and ALSO use it to scroll down (example) the screen and release the documents I want in the folder in the bottom of the scrolled screen? Do you see an evolution of ideas? Combining simple behaviors naturally without giving up any of them? It's like typing, picking up the phone and still typing with the other hand (and probably getting information for pass on the phone...).

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RE[3]: gnome
by on Thu 8th Sep 2005 21:59 in reply to "RE[2]: gnome"
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That's how it should be! You have to give a way to the user change it's mind before doing anything.

If you change your mind after opening a menu you close it. I don't see your point here.

...and we should not forget too that middle click usually does some other default action in most of applications (looks firefox and page scrooling and tab closure with middle click...), or are used for fast document scrolling (also, firefox for example)

And right click doesn't do anything in apps?
Just fyi, middle click pastes the last selection in X. It's still not a problem, because one is a click and the other is a drag.

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RE[2]: gnome
by BryanFeeney on Thu 8th Sep 2005 21:59 in reply to "RE: gnome"
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2005-07-06

Of course the problem is that left-dragging does different things in different circumstances with only a tiny [+] icon as a notification, which confuses a lot of users initially.

I actually like KDE's version. While a bit unexpected at first, it works out pretty well in general.

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