Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 8th Sep 2005 16:53 UTC
Gnome The Gnome Project released version 2.12 yesterday. We had a quick look at it by using the latest Gnome Live CD (1.12-pre) and Foresight 0.9.0 (2.12 final) and here are our thoughts over 2.12 and Gnome's status in general.
Thread beginning with comment 28731
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE: Gnome is overrated...
by on Thu 8th Sep 2005 21:54 UTC in reply to "Gnome is overrated..."

Member since:

Performance:
Gnome feels much faster with video hardware that supports acceleration of the Render extension, it also is noticably faster when using a compositing manager, of course this results in more instability of X.

Look:
Try adjusting your DPI setting to be true to your monitor/resolution, and after that adjust your font sizes. (I prefer 11pt fonts). Also there are themes that make widgets smaller as this is typically adjustable in the engine.

Feel:
I've not experienced many weird behaviours, perhaps you could let us know what they are? A bug is a bug, and should get reported.

Reply Parent Score: 0

RE[2]: Gnome is overrated...
by segedunum on Thu 8th Sep 2005 22:27 in reply to "RE: Gnome is overrated..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Gnome feels much faster with video hardware that supports acceleration of the Render extension

Wonderful. So Gnome needs hardware acceleration to get acceptable performance? Hardware accelerated XRender requires supported drivers (of which there are a selection of one) and it is notoriously buggy to the point where it isn't an option.

As was pointed out in another thread, the Glitz/OpenGL back-end for GTK/Cairo is not turned on for a reason. That reason is because to get any benefit out of it you really do need a solid, reliable hardware accelerated OpenGL implementation. Since the only manufacturer producing good enough drivers is nVidia, and they are closed source (and not always 100%), relying on one company's drivers simply to get your GUI up and running is simply not acceptable. You know, people promote desktop Linux as being able to run on older hardware......

Telling people to use hardware acceleration is not an excuse for what they're seeing.

it also is noticably faster when using a compositing manager, of course this results in more instability of X.

Well that's not really an option, is it?

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[3]: Gnome is overrated...
by ma_d on Thu 8th Sep 2005 23:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Gnome is overrated..."
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

XRenderAccel requires very little support. Both major vendors drivers should work fine with it. Compositing requires a bit more..
It, like every program ever written, requires fairly modern hardware. It feels fine with nv and a duron 1GHz, and the same on a 700 celeron with trident card.

"Telling people to use hardware acceleration is not an excuse for what they're seeing."
Would you rather have highly flexible and powerful applications which look good or ugly ones with a weak API that run blazingly fast?
If you've found performance problems in gnome or gtk, please feel free to use your time to fix them and send in patches. Otherwise, complain about serious problems not "I can just barely see the app draw a few things."

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[4]: Gnome is overrated...
by on Fri 9th Sep 2005 04:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Gnome is overrated..."
Member since:

You can of course use a simply theme that runs extremely fast, like themes which use the mist engine, and opt for bitmap (png) icons over vector icons.

Heavier themes require better hardware, especially vector icons, and the brand new cairo based themes.

Reply Parent Score: 0

RE[2]: Gnome is overrated...
by poofyhairguy on Thu 8th Sep 2005 23:01 in reply to "RE: Gnome is overrated..."
poofyhairguy Member since:
2005-07-14

Performance:
Gnome feels much faster with video hardware that supports acceleration of the Render extension, it also is noticably faster when using a compositing manager, of course this results in more instability of X.



Its funny that you say that, because its Gnome (not XFCE or KDE) that refuses to add a decent composite manager built into its window manager (metacity). All the other major DE's has this.

Because of this, I plan to move to KDE when 3.5 comes (aka with a more stable compmgr) despite using Gnome for a year. I'm working now to make KDE look more like Gnome now. Gnome's stance on hardware acceration sucks, I wish they didn't punish those of us with Nvidia cards just because our drivers are closed and because no other cards can do it yet.

Your point is a very weak one.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[3]: Gnome is overrated...
by ma_d on Thu 8th Sep 2005 23:08 in reply to "RE[2]: Gnome is overrated..."
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

Actually, kwin's compositor is so bad it's unusable.. Xfwm4's is awesome, it almost works. But kwin's is just baaaad (or at least the 3.4.0 one was).
Also, xapp's will composite anything. Gnome is right to not include one; it'd just be a lot of extra list traffic like this:
"my compositor doesn't work"
"unsupported, shutup."
"are you gonna fix it?"
"unsupported, shutup."
"why do you tell me to shutup?"
"rtfm"
"but it's in there, so isn't it supported?"
"NO, leave us alone already!"

Reply Parent Score: 1