Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 8th Sep 2005 16:53 UTC
Gnome The Gnome Project released version 2.12 yesterday. We had a quick look at it by using the latest Gnome Live CD (1.12-pre) and Foresight 0.9.0 (2.12 final) and here are our thoughts over 2.12 and Gnome's status in general.
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RE[3]: Gnome is overrated...
by ma_d on Thu 8th Sep 2005 23:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Gnome is overrated..."
ma_d
Member since:
2005-06-29

XRenderAccel requires very little support. Both major vendors drivers should work fine with it. Compositing requires a bit more..
It, like every program ever written, requires fairly modern hardware. It feels fine with nv and a duron 1GHz, and the same on a 700 celeron with trident card.

"Telling people to use hardware acceleration is not an excuse for what they're seeing."
Would you rather have highly flexible and powerful applications which look good or ugly ones with a weak API that run blazingly fast?
If you've found performance problems in gnome or gtk, please feel free to use your time to fix them and send in patches. Otherwise, complain about serious problems not "I can just barely see the app draw a few things."

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v RE[4]: Gnome is overrated...
by Tom K on Fri 9th Sep 2005 00:01 in reply to "RE[3]: Gnome is overrated..."
RE[4]: Gnome is overrated...
by getaceres on Fri 9th Sep 2005 08:06 in reply to "RE[3]: Gnome is overrated..."
getaceres Member since:
2005-07-06

XRenderAccel is NOT supported by the ATI closed drivers and cards from the R300 series and up have no hardware acceleration from the open source drivers. NVidia is the only major card maker that has a decent set of drivers for Linux.
Relying in Render acceleration to get decent speed is a big mistake from the GNOME developers because only NVidia cards will have it.

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RE[5]: Gnome is overrated...
by on Fri 9th Sep 2005 09:51 in reply to "RE[4]: Gnome is overrated..."
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I should say that I really really regret the lack of support for XRenderAccel from the ATI fglrx driver.

As an ATI user, I am however not stuck with it. There is a alternative, the radeon driver that *should* work with XRender. I must say I never tested it, because I need performance .... for games. I just cry I choosed a laptop with ATI ;) .

BUT I DO NOT LIKE YOUR DEBATE ON GNOME. Come on... GNOME. It managed a lot of stuff concerning interactions between aps, and that's what a "desktop" needs. It might be slower than KDE, I might be more beautifull, it might be less.

Do you need a Desktop? I am not alone in this room to NOT use gnome desktop, but to use a lot of the gnome-related apps: Evince, Eog, Gimp, the gonme-toolbar, various gnome-utils.... etc.... etc Everything under FVWM ;)

Yes I like Gnome and Gnome developer and I thanks them a lot for the nice app and the extreme modularity of it all ! By comparison most of KDE tools are too integrated to be used without KDE, other philosophy.

To me and many other Gnome let you the choice, above all. Speed issue with Metacity? Try Fvwm, Enlightenment, Sawfish... so many Gnome2 compatibles WM. You do not like nautilus, I recommand you RoxFiler ... etc.. I have many exemples. I am a guy that like to have the choice, like my distro gives me much liberty (debian ;) ).

You can't blame people for the thinks that they should do to be nice to you while it take a lot of their time and none of yours, that's why you often see fed up developers posting "do it your self" of course. On the other hand, developers are very enthousiasts people (I am one too) and like to convience people that their apps can fullfil your dreams, which is never the case.

Open source gives you tools, you are free to use them in any configuration you want. Thanks to the gnome team for the work done so far.

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RE[4]: Gnome is overrated...
by segedunum on Fri 9th Sep 2005 08:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Gnome is overrated..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

XRenderAccel requires very little support. Both major vendors drivers should work fine with it.

What about those people with graphics cards not by the two major vendors (which is just about everyone)?

Would you rather have highly flexible and powerful applications which look good or ugly ones with a weak API that run blazingly fast?

That depends which way round your putting that, because both sides of the coin there are wrong. I'd rather have efficient applications work on the widest variety of hardware possible so people could actually use an open source desktop. I think you're missing the goal here.

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