Linked by David Adams on Fri 30th Nov 2007 19:26 UTC, submitted by netpython
Editorial In a PC Magazine opinion piece, Oliver Rist makes note of some deficiencies in Apple's new OS, declaring, "Before Apple makes any more smug OS-related attacks on Microsoft, it ought to take a good look in the mirror."
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RE: Blah blah how silly
by vege on Fri 30th Nov 2007 19:53 UTC in reply to "Blah blah how silly"
vege
Member since:
2006-04-07

You are a forgiving user, but it should not be the way while dealing with a paid product. Simple: they must not publish misbehaving products, it results in losses for many.
Releasing an OS to the public while knowing it contains plenty of bugs - is just unacceptable. Having competitors that perform worse is not an excuse.

Edited 2007-11-30 19:54

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RE[2]: Blah blah how silly
by cipri on Fri 30th Nov 2007 22:24 in reply to "RE: Blah blah how silly"
cipri Member since:
2007-02-15

"You are a forgiving user, but it should not be the way while dealing with a paid product. Simple: they must not publish misbehaving products, it results in losses for many.
Releasing an OS to the public while knowing it contains plenty of bugs - is just unacceptable. Having competitors that perform worse is not an excuse. "

I think this is totally the wrong way, to wait until you know that your product is bug-free. Nobody is going that way (not Linux, not Windows), why should Apple go that way? I think there must be a reason for that :-)

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RE[2]: Blah blah how silly
by Arun on Sat 1st Dec 2007 05:09 in reply to "RE: Blah blah how silly"
Arun Member since:
2005-07-07

Every product ever made has problems that happen after the initial sale. CPUs, semi conductors (ship with errata docs), Cars, DVD players, TVs etc. and some that are known before hand and are not considered critical or show stoppers.

I strongly suspect you are not involved in any soft of product development with such a narrow view.

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RE[2]: Blah blah how silly
by cormet on Sat 1st Dec 2007 07:24 in reply to "RE: Blah blah how silly"
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2007-12-01

I agree with u, but again we living in the world which not always as perfect as we think. In reality, take example of Ms XP and it is very mature product, but still having plenty of bugs...the worse things is Microsoft soon to discontinued XP product and forcing the Vista to go market which making business partner not quite happy, but this is reality.

At the end, as user, we all know what is the errors/bugs, but since you depends on them (OS X, XP/Vista) therefore you just need to wait for patches and bug fixes. but as the vendor of product, they need to put the product to market and gain some profits from it and put the bug fixed later in few weeks...

Sorry for bad english...

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RE[2]: Blah blah how silly
by Clinton on Sat 1st Dec 2007 19:05 in reply to "RE: Blah blah how silly"
Clinton Member since:
2005-07-05

It's not about being a forgiving user. Most people simply don't have any problems whatsoever with Leopard. I haven't had a ton of experience with Vista, but I have had some and I know a lot of people who bought it. It just isn't that great of an OS. I know a lot of people who are bailing on Vista for Linux, XP, and OS X. You simply don't see that with Leopard.

The only people trying to make a "suckiness" comparison between Windows and OS X are jaded Vista users; it seems.

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RE[2]: Blah blah how silly
by j.blechert on Tue 4th Dec 2007 22:09 in reply to "RE: Blah blah how silly"
j.blechert Member since:
2006-01-04

You are a forgiving user, but it should not be the way while dealing with a paid product. Simple: they must not publish misbehaving products, it results in losses for many.
-and what do you know about keeping a large codebase bugfree?
besides, or rather to the point, the only way to ensure non-misbehaving tools is to make them yourself.
that doesn't mean I want to encourage you to take on a life as programmer, only get you to notice that perfection is a hard to reach goal that can never be achived in a complex product. at least not if it has a deadline to meet

Releasing an OS to the public while knowing it contains plenty of bugs - is just unacceptable. Having competitors that perform worse is not an excuse.
-well, it's working good enough for us to build large databases and complex networks and those work just as well on tiger, panther, leopard, gnus, hell even on windows. so what's the fuss about?
if you want stability use a stable os like freebsd who doesn't care about meeting a profit margin.
if you want "the coolest new thing" try leopard or use windows, but don't be disappointed at crash. they happen. in a system that has billions of bytes to calculate with a huge number of subroutines, somewhere there's GOT to be glitch. and if the glitch is in plain sight you've looked the horse in the mouth and ought not to buy it. simple as that.

so try to get a grip
software isn't everything, hardly perfect and certainly not worth buying. not. ever.

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