Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 2nd Dec 2007 22:44 UTC, submitted by Moochman
KDE The newest version of KDE Four Live, an openSUSE-based Live CD for testing KDE 4, was released three days ago, just nine days after the initial version that included Release Candidate 1 was released. KDE/openSUSE dev Stephan Binner announced the release on his blog, celebrating the strong public interest in the initial RC1-based Live CD - over 10000 downloads achieved in the first few days. Meanwhile, although mainstream reviews of RC1 are still scarce, Binner's blog announcement of the previous version contained this interesting tidbit: "It looks like whatever [version of KDE 4] will be released or presented at the event which was fixed by the sponsor to happen in January will be only used by very early adopters. Hopefully openSUSE 11.0 will be able to ship some KDE 4.1.x release or some very high KDE 4.0.x release (which saw some light features freeze lift)," he wrote. Readers are welcome to download the newest Live CD (Torrent) and test it for themselves. A Debian LiveCD is also available, but it still includes KDE4 Beta4 and not RC1.
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RE[2]: Missed opportunity
by rx182 on Mon 3rd Dec 2007 06:28 UTC in reply to "Missed opportunity"
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Member since:
2005-07-08

I just played with that new LiveCD and I can confirm it's better than a week ago. The new APIs for Plasma seem more stable.

However, to make KDE4 usable, the people behind KDE needs to:
1- Completely replace the Oxygen style. It's just too white. The green bars do not fit. It's really hard to see where a widget starts and where it ends. KDE4 really needs something more refined. Just look at how Apple did it. It's not that hard you know. PLEASE MAKE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL. PLEASE...

2- Remove OpenSuse's Kickoff. Usability-wise, it stinks. It's by far the worst application launcher I have ever used (and I'm not the only one). It makes it really hard to go back and forth when searching for an application. Ever Kicker was better. No replacement for Kickoff? Reintroduce Kicker please! At least it was usable...

3- Plasma needs more work. It's starting to look beautiful but it needs more work. There should be a way to aggregate Plasmoids together. Also, I hope the new "taskbar" Plasmoid will change dramatically.

4- Keep on removing the useless junk from previous KDE releases. Bouncing cursor? Remove!

5- KDE4 needs a brand new control center. Something more beautiful and easy to use. The current one makes it boring to tweak KDE.

6- KDE applications in general need to adapt to KDE4. They need to be part of the "experience". Legacy applications do not feel at home.

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RE[3]: Missed opportunity
by Shade on Mon 3rd Dec 2007 06:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Missed opportunity"
Shade Member since:
2005-07-07

"1- Completely replace the Oxygen style. It's just too white. The green bars do not fit. It's really hard to see where a widget starts and where it ends. KDE4 really needs something more refined. Just look at how Apple did it. It's not that hard you know. PLEASE MAKE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL. PLEASE..."

It still has widget and icon themeing...

"2- Remove OpenSuse's Kickoff. Usability-wise, it stinks. It's by far the worst application launcher I have ever used (and I'm not the only one). It makes it really hard to go back and forth when searching for an application. Ever Kicker was better. No replacement for Kickoff? Reintroduce Kicker please! At least it was usable..."

Find somebody to port it, or just wait. New menus are apparently easy to integrate. That was one of the ideas behind Plasma.

"3- Plasma needs more work. It's starting to look beautiful but it needs more work. There should be a way to aggregate Plasmoids together. Also, I hope the new "taskbar" Plasmoid will change dramatically."

Once again, wait... It has to get out the door at some point. Many eyes, and more / new hands, with broad testing are what's needed most. That's what makes a 'mature' technology.

"4- Keep on removing the useless junk from previous KDE releases. Bouncing cursor? Remove!"

If it's buggy and unmaintained, Sure. If it's nearly universally unused, Sure. Failing that, I much prefer the move towards sensible defaults with a clean interface, and a well organized config system. You know, one of the joys of free software it that you are free to explore the alternatives. GNOME is rather excellent.

"5- KDE4 needs a brand new control centre. Something more beautiful and easy to use. The current one makes it boring to tweak KDE."

It has one. Kcontrol is dead-- Systemsettings is where its at. Oh, and I hope to god configuration is boring, that's the last thing want to have adventures with. (Albeit, continuing to usability audit the modules is a good idea. I look forward to future refinements there.)

"6- KDE applications in general need to adapt to KDE4. They need to be part of the "experience". Legacy applications do not feel at home."

Well, they've been ported... Toolbars cleaned up, some new features, minimal ports away from depreciated frameworks. Other than some apps that won't ship, and some new additions that were slated for 4.0 but have slid to 4.1, there not really much that's surprising there. As far as better integrating with all of the new KDE 4.0 goodness goes, it'll likely happen in earnest on the march to KDE 4.1.

I mean really, KDE 3.5.x isn't going to vanish, and will probably even get another release. Or use GNOME. Everything you mentioned is either a non-issue or should be addressed by KDE 4.1. And the last I read, the KDE folks were thinking of having a short cycle for 4.1 anyway.

The only thing that's going to be hard for me is to wait for all of the killer 3rd party KDE apps to get ported over to KDE 4. I fully expect my KDE 4 migration to be an incremental thing that last until about the time KDE 4.1 gets out the door.

Edited 2007-12-03 07:12

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RE[3]: Missed opportunity
by superstoned on Mon 3rd Dec 2007 10:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Missed opportunity"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

Replacing oxygen just because the contrast is too low? Can't we increase contrast, that's just a color thing... Personally I do agree, but they're improving it already, and you can choose another colorscheme as well.

And about the bouncing cursor, I hope they don't remove it. That thing has been a major reason KDE has been choosen over Gnome several times in big deployments already. Giving instantanious feedback when starting an application is very good in terms of usability.

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RE[3]: Missed opportunity
by KugelKurt on Mon 3rd Dec 2007 22:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Missed opportunity"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

2- Remove OpenSuse's Kickoff. Usability-wise, it stinks. It's by far the worst application launcher I have ever used (and I'm not the only one).

I like Kickoff. It's the biggest reason why I even use openSUSE despite its extremely crappy YAST. I'm so happy that KDE 4 will get Kickoff, I can't wait to trash my openSUSE installation and replace it with something good (=Debia-based -- probably Debian, Sidux or Kubuntu).

Edited 2007-12-03 22:23 UTC

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RE[4]: Missed opportunity
by J.R. on Mon 3rd Dec 2007 22:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Missed opportunity"
J.R. Member since:
2007-07-25

I like Kickoff. It's the biggest reason why I even use openSUSE despite its extremely crappy YAST. I'm so happy that KDE 4 will get Kickoff, I can't wait to trash my openSUSE installation and replace it with something good (=Debia-based -- probably Debian, Sidux or Kubuntu).


I also like kickoff. I wish I had a choice though, because on my laptop its a bit huge and the old menu would be better. But for my desktop...its perfect.

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